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[LeGrande]

Running out of fuel doesn't cause a pilot to fly into a building.

My completely pull it out of my *** guess is that something broke (like an aileron bolt fell out) and they simply didn't have the altitude or time to do anything about it.

I have about a 10% track record on intial guesses.

[RS]

"...then there is nothing there to stop a terrorist. "

EXACTLY my point ... without the installation of hundreds of automatically operated point defence weapons around the country there IS nothing to stop a terrorist, and your restrictions will do nothing to change that.

[Arkinsaw]

EXACTLY my point ... without the installation of hundreds of automatically operated point defence weapons around the country there IS nothing to stop a terrorist, and your restrictions will do nothing to change that.

I leave our previous statements to stand for themselves. I have nothing more to say to you.

[LeGrande]

There you go again. Sightseers can purchase a ticket on an authorized tourist plane with known pilots and security. Another fallacious argument. I put forward restrictions on aircraft in the airspace...you twist to be a restriction on tourists seeing the Statue of Liberty. Twisty, but not logic.

H'm, first you put it completely off limits, with a Phalanx system guarding it, now you say it's OK to conduct tourist flights. Is the Phalanx supposed to shoot them out of the sky? How is the Phalanx operator supposed to know which are the bad guys and which are the good guys with 100% accuracy? And you have the audacity to say that my logic is twisted? LOL

This might make sense if the liberty we were talking about was you freedom to speak here or your freedom of religion or something actually critical. But the freedom we are talking about here is your ability to fly around the Statue of Liberty for fun. You are right now restricted from landing a helicopter for fun on the White House lawn. I do not consider that a huge imposition leading to the destruction of our glorious nation. You might characterize it that way, but it wouldn't be so.

So you are saying my freedom to travel freely is less important than my freedom to travel to church on Sunday? Or to travel to a protest rally? Yes sir, Comrade!

[RS]

"How is the Phalanx operator supposed to know which are the bad guys and which are the good guys with 100% accuracy? "

Excellent point ... since the system would have to be on automatic, the tour plane operater would have to contact the statue defence to turn it off ... and then really, really hope that it gets done by that National Guardsman who was dragged in for a tour of sitting there.

Wouldn't it be exciting knowing that the guns were tracking you on your flight, ready to blast you should wind shear drop you a hundred feet or so ?

[LeGrande]

Wouldn't it be exciting knowing that the guns were tracking you on your flight, ready to blast you should wind shear drop you a hundred feet or so ?

I have heard that the radars that they use can fry you. I have also heard that is how the AWAC's defend themselves.

How many Phalanx systems would it take to defend Miss Liberty? Would they have to remove her crown and mount one up there?

I have a picture in my head of a couple of Phalanx systems guarding Miss liberty and people with rockets up in the Crown. It is just sad.

[CDHart]

"Is that why the led investigator [FBI] quit soon after the investigation was over?"

I don't know but I wouldn't be a bit surprised if it was.

Carolyn

[Man50D]

The truck place is called "U-Haul", and they don't even require the two hour check-ride to rent.


You ignore the fact a lone terrorist would also have to obtain all the necessary ingredients to fill the large number of barrels a 20 ton truck could contain. It's reasonable to assume a 20 ton truck can carry many barrels. The terrorist would have to purchase large quantities of whatever ingredients needed to fill those barrels. It would be at the very least difficult if not impossible for any individual to purchase such large quantities without being noticed.

The only possible way to remain conspicuous would be to purchase small quantities over an extremely long period of time but he would have to store these ingredients somewhere. The terrorist would then run the risk of being noticed constantly delivering the same ingredients that can be used in combination as explosives to a storage area. He would then have either have to place empty barrels in the truck and lift all the necessary ingredients into the truck by himself or fill the barrels outside the truck and then lift the barrels with some device such as a fork lift. He would have to rent fork lift which could be expensive, take more time and attract more attention.

Contrast that with a small plane. The terrorist would take a few courses, fill the gas tank and load as much explosives the maximum weight of the plane allows and then fly the plane.

The latter maths requires much less manual labor.

Keep trying to think.

[Man50D]

Maths=methods

[TankerKC]

Time will tell

Did any terrorist groups claim responsibility yet?

[Arkinsaw]

H'm, first you put it completely off limits, with a Phalanx system guarding it, now you say it's OK to conduct tourist flights. Is the Phalanx supposed to shoot them out of the sky? How is the Phalanx operator supposed to know which are the bad guys and which are the good guys with 100% accuracy? And you have the audacity to say that my logic is twisted? LOL

Did you know that Aircraft Carriers have Phalanx? Did you know that US aircraft actually land on those without getting shot down? Did you know that people who run air defense systems can tell the difference between authorized aircraft and non-authorized? Are you looking to use every fallacy in your arguments?

So you are saying my freedom to travel freely is less important than my freedom to travel to church on Sunday? Or to travel to a protest rally? Yes sir, Comrade!

Can you see your own fallacies? Did you know that you can't travel in a helicopter to the White House lawn right now? Your "freedom to travel" is being violated! I think you should insist on defending this very important right to land a helicopter on the White House lawn. Please try it today.

[Eaker]

I'll tell you this though, if GA pilots fly like they reason as demonstrated in this thread, then I am for grounding all of you.

Good thing that you are not in charge of anything. Normally I would respect someone with your background but reading your posts you come off as a whiney little girl.

[foreverfree]

Alex Jones is already blaming Bushco even after it was confirmed who was aboard...

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/october2006/111006planecrash.htm

ff

[sarasota]

Maybe we're here to learn something. Is this a problem?

[sarasota]

Just a note to salute you for your very relevant remarks on this thread.

[sarasota]

Don't bet on it.

[sarasota]

I don't believe a reaction like thinking it's terrorism is based on fear. More like being based on clear and present danger.

[CarryaBigStick]

Not a problem at all, if you're actually interested in learning.

[Graymatter]

20 Years ago !!!! Oct 22,1986 .... I thought it was around 5 years ago

Yes, like Dornacker, we are all existing at a frightening rate of descent to earth, aren't we? Remember how long five years was, when you were sixteen?

[LeGrande]

Did you know that Aircraft Carriers have Phalanx? Did you know that US aircraft actually land on those without getting shot down? Did you know that people who run air defense systems can tell the difference between authorized aircraft and non-authorized? Are you looking to use every fallacy in your arguments

Actually I didn't know that Carriers had Phalanx systems. Are you sure they do? I know some destroyers that guard carriers do. Do you recall the Israeli ship that shut theirs off because the didn't want to hit any friendlies and got nailed with Hezballah's missile. It is very easy for the military to identify their own planes. The only method a phalanx sitting on top of Miss liberty has to identify the friendlies is the squawk code. Do you suppose that could be spoofed? You really haven't thought this through have you.

Can you see your own fallacies? Did you know that you can't travel in a helicopter to the White House lawn right now? Your "freedom to travel" is being violated! I think you should insist on defending this very important right to land a helicopter on the White House lawn. Please try it today.

There are some legitimate, no fly zones, and I don't have a problem with them. I do object to unannounced TFR's like when Cheney makes a surprise visit to Jackson, or Bush doesn't announce his travel plans until an hour before the event. It is kind of like the freedom to drive doesn't give you the right to travel in the oncoming traffic lane.

I do object if you want to restrict my right to go view the fall colors if I want to though.

I don't think I have time to land a helicopter on the White House Lawn today. I am taking some 'young eagles' up flying (sightseeing) as a reward for doing well in my wife's class.