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Yeah, we voted on tolls — kinda
Austin American-Statesman ^ | October 16, 2006 | Ben Wear

Posted on 10/16/2006 6:45:49 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Do you remember voting on the Trans-Texas Corridor?

Me neither. But I think I might have. Sort of.

Toll road proponents have said over the past couple of years that Texans had voted to authorize what has turned out to be a very aggressive push for toll roads. Gov. Rick Perry said as much in the Oct. 6 gubernatorial election debate.

One of the moderators relayed a question from a McKinney woman asking why Texans haven't gotten to vote on the "Trans-Texas Corridor and related toll highways."

The corridor is Perry's 4,000-mile plan of tollways, railroads and utility lines.

The governor's response was deft.

"First and foremost, the people of Texas had the opportunity to vote on a substantial amount of that in a constitutional amendment," he began, going on to say that the Legislature had debated and passed toll laws in several sessions. The voters, he said, "sent a clear message of how we're going to build infrastructure."

What actually happened is that in a September 2003 election, 810,855 Texans said yes to ballot language that only the most wonkish among them could have known authorized wholesale borrowing for toll roads. The 45 words on the ballot, in fact, do not include the words "toll" or "turnpike."

Here's what Proposition 14 proposed:

"The constitutional amendment providing for authorization of the issuing of notes or the borrowing of money on a short-term basis by a state transportation agency for transportation-related projects, and the issuance of bonds and other public securities secured by the state highway fund."

I was told at the time that the purpose of this was to allow the agency to borrow here and there against future gas-tax revenue to address cash-flow problems. And that, in fact, is what the first part of the language refers to.

But then there's a comma, and some more words. Some technical but powerful words that amounted, apparently, to the electorate saying, "Whoo-eee, slap some toll roads on us, baby!"

Now, Texans did approve another constitutional amendment, this one in 2001, that created the Texas Mobility Fund, and it actually said the money could go to "state highways, turnpikes, toll roads, toll bridges, and other mobility projects." A total of 543,759 Texans said yes to that one.

In 2003, lawmakers dedicated some fees allowing that fund to borrow $4 billion or more.

And as the governor said, that same year the Legislature approved a huge bill allowing the creation of the Trans-Texas Corridor. That bill, passed in a session marked by Democrats fleeing to Ardmore, Okla., and a $10 billion budget gap, got little press coverage.

Did Texans vote on the Trans-Texas Corridor? Not in any real sense.

Did we vote on a "substantial amount" of the toll road revolution? Yes, technically, in a special September 2003 election with predictably poor turnout and all the focus on other amendments, we gave the Texas Department of Transportation carte blanche to borrow for roads and charge tolls.

Who knew? Almost no one.


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: cuespookymusic; dearrubes; kookmagnetthread; referendum; rickperry; texas; tolls; transtexascorridor; transtinfoilcorridor; ttc; tx
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To: wolfcreek
Zachery (sp?)(a SA based company) is currently building 183-A, ahead of schedule and under budget. I realize there will be some interaction between them and Cintas but, that foreign component doesn't set well with most Texans.

Zachry has lots of experience building interstate type highways, but I think they wanted to not have to take on the whole risk of the project by themselves. This is a huge project. Lots of buisinesses take on partners to spread risk. It's done in the oil and gas business all the time. Cintra also has experience running toll roads which I don't think Zachry has.

61 posted on 10/16/2006 1:14:49 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Ben Ficklin
Dan? Who the hell is Dan? When you accuse me, I would suggest in the future you read my previous posts. Wrong gender, bucko, therefore wrong name...and I don't belong to any group. In fact, I just decided who I was going to vote for this week...I already knew who I was going to vote against. Now...what group do you belong to?
62 posted on 10/16/2006 1:15:29 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Ben Ficklin

So, if all of our roadways will be paid for by tolls, when do the gas and registration taxes get rolled back?


63 posted on 10/16/2006 1:16:31 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Well, my days of not taking your seriously are certainly coming to a middle)
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To: Dead Corpse
So, if all of our roadways will be paid for by tolls, when do the gas and registration taxes get rolled back?

Surely you jest...and I know...don't call you Shirley.

64 posted on 10/16/2006 1:24:47 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Dead Corpse

The gas tax that you pay will continue to be used as it is being used now. It will definately be raised because there will be new roads built, the existing roads will get older, and there will be more cars using them, meaning higher maintanance costs. Additionally, as cars get better and better milage, the gas tax collected shrinks.


65 posted on 10/16/2006 1:24:55 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: ravingnutter

You said there were no competitors. I proved you wrong.


66 posted on 10/16/2006 1:27:28 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
It will definately be raised because there will be new roads built, the existing roads will get older, and there will be more cars using them, meaning higher maintanance costs.

And more people paying the gas tax as well. But don't let that slow you down.

So, now we have the gas tax AND a toll rate that is 4 times what other States have theirs set at?

67 posted on 10/16/2006 1:29:01 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Well, my days of not taking your seriously are certainly coming to a middle)
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To: Dead Corpse
I'm sure you think that "they" are out to cheat you.

Me, I think you want a free ride that someone else will have to pay for.

If you think that there is opposition to the toll road, try raising the gas tax to pay for these new roads and you will see real opposition.

There are only two options, a PPP toll road or a public sector toll road.

68 posted on 10/16/2006 1:43:23 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

Sorry but the ink is already dry on the contract with Cintra...don't try to pull the wool over my eyes.


69 posted on 10/16/2006 1:44:37 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Ben Ficklin
Me, I think you want a free ride that someone else will have to pay for.

Wrong. But thanks for playing. I've quite clearly stated that I would PREFER toll roads, but NOT BOTH toll roads and the current taxes.

If you've got problems with that, then tough cookies. Don't be an asshat.

70 posted on 10/16/2006 1:45:29 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Well, my days of not taking your seriously are certainly coming to a middle)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Looks as if the Texas politicians have learned a few tricks from their Massachusetts counterparts.

It is that old Austin to Boston Connection.

There is more where that came from.


71 posted on 10/16/2006 1:48:03 PM PDT by Radix
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To: ravingnutter

More mis-info. Cintra is the apparent winner, but they don't have a contract yet. You should hope that they do get the contract because Cintra is the most qualified.


72 posted on 10/16/2006 1:49:16 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Paleo Conservative
There aren't any American companies responsible enough to run a toll road? Most of the money collected from these tolls will not be spent in America. Where's the logic?
73 posted on 10/16/2006 1:51:12 PM PDT by wolfcreek (A personal attack is the reaction of an exhausted and/or disturbed mind.)
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To: Radix

You are paying for the Big Dig, whether you use it or not. Unless you ride on it, you won't have to pay for the TTC.


74 posted on 10/16/2006 1:51:33 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Dead Corpse

Stay off the toll road and all you will have to pay is the gas tax. Pretty good deal.


75 posted on 10/16/2006 1:53:52 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
The Massachusetts Turnpike was paid off several years ago.

The hacks at the Turnpike Authority went ahead and borrowed more money for infrastructure and whatever even though the Turnpike was debt free.


They effectively put themselves on the Authority into guaranteed for life jobs. There was no justification for the borrowing of more dough other than to keep the hackerama going.

Later, the Authority became the overseers of the "Big Dig" and we all know how that turned out.

The recently solvent Massachusetts Turnpike is now in the red for TWO BILLION dollars.

That is the sort of thing that you can look forward to.

Toll increases, and more tolls on previously built roads. Forever.
76 posted on 10/16/2006 1:58:28 PM PDT by Radix (I read a lot)
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To: Radix

Pay to play. Or stay off


77 posted on 10/16/2006 2:00:39 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

Riiiight, like I believe that. And you never did answer...what group are you with?


78 posted on 10/16/2006 2:00:45 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: ravingnutter
If they would quit looting state highway funds such as the 1 BILLION that was diverted last year alone (with reports of 10 Billion in all) there wouldn't be a shortage of funds. And private investors? Give me a break...this is a FOREIGN company. And what about the Perry aide, Dan Shelley, who worked for Cintra, went to the Governor's office, then went back to work for Cintra while the deal was being made? And why wouldn't Perry release the contract to the public previously? Shady deals one and all. Perry needs more than good hair to slick-talk this little lady.

I agree that 1/3rd of the gas tax shouldn't be diverted to education, but that diversion was put in place more than a decade ago and even if it were removed there would still be a major funding shortfall between gas tax receipts and needed road projects. Some roads are facing a 15+ year wait for funds under the traditional system.

Yes, private companies, any can bid, it just so happens that a consortium with a Spanish firm as one of the partners (along with an American firm Zachry, out of San Antonio) had the highest bid. Cadbury Schweppes and Nestle are foreign-owned firms, should we boycott chewing gum and chocolate? What are you afraid of, that Cintra will pick up the road and move it to Spain?

Did you know that Dick Cheney used to work for Halliburton? SCANDAL!

The contract has been made public and there was nothing nefarious in it, so much for that scare tactic, except for fooling some of the people who aren't aware of the facts.

79 posted on 10/16/2006 2:01:49 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Ben Ficklin

The gig is up dude. We all know the score, that company had it from the word go.


80 posted on 10/16/2006 2:02:00 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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