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Richard Dawkins Writes About Human Responsibility In Light of Darwinian Evolution
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Posted on 10/20/2006 8:52:20 PM PDT by SirLinksalot

Let's all stop beating Basil's car

Ask people why they support the death penalty or prolonged incarceration for serious crimes, and the reasons they give will usually involve retribution. There may be passing mention of deterrence or rehabilitation, but the surrounding rhetoric gives the game away. People want to kill a criminal as payback for the horrible things he did. Or they want to give "satisfaction' to the victims of the crime or their relatives. An especially warped and disgusting application of the flawed concept of retribution is Christian crucifixion as "atonement' for "sin'.

Retribution as a moral principle is incompatible with a scientific view of human behaviour. As scientists, we believe that human brains, though they may not work in the same way as man-made computers, are as surely governed by the laws of physics. When a computer malfunctions, we do not punish it. We track down the problem and fix it, usually by replacing a damaged component, either in hardware or software.

Basil Fawlty, British television's hotelier from hell created by the immortal John Cleese, was at the end of his tether when his car broke down and wouldn't start. He gave it fair warning, counted to three, gave it one more chance, and then acted. "Right! I warned you. You've had this coming to you!" He got out of the car, seized a tree branch and set about thrashing the car within an inch of its life. Of course we laugh at his irrationality. Instead of beating the car, we would investigate the problem. Is the carburettor flooded? Are the sparking plugs or distributor points damp? Has it simply run out of gas? Why do we not react in the same way to a defective man: a murderer, say, or a rapist? Why don't we laugh at a judge who punishes a criminal, just as heartily as we laugh at Basil Fawlty? Or at King Xerxes who, in 480 BC, sentenced the rough sea to 300 lashes for wrecking his bridge of ships? Isn't the murderer or the rapist just a machine with a defective component? Or a defective upbringing? Defective education? Defective genes?

Concepts like blame and responsibility are bandied about freely where human wrongdoers are concerned. When a child robs an old lady, should we blame the child himself or his parents? Or his school? Negligent social workers? In a court of law, feeble-mindedness is an accepted defence, as is insanity. Diminished responsibility is argued by the defence lawyer, who may also try to absolve his client of blame by pointing to his unhappy childhood, abuse by his father, or even unpropitious genes (not, so far as I am aware, unpropitious planetary conjunctions, though it wouldn't surprise me).

But doesn't a truly scientific, mechanistic view of the nervous system make nonsense of the very idea of responsibility, whether diminished or not? Any crime, however heinous, is in principle to be blamed on antecedent conditions acting through the accused's physiology, heredity and environment. Don't judicial hearings to decide questions of blame or diminished responsibility make as little sense for a faulty man as for a Fawlty car?

Why is it that we humans find it almost impossible to accept such conclusions? Why do we vent such visceral hatred on child murderers, or on thuggish vandals, when we should simply regard them as faulty units that need fixing or replacing? Presumably because mental constructs like blame and responsibility, indeed evil and good, are built into our brains by millennia of Darwinian evolution. Assigning blame and responsibility is an aspect of the useful fiction of intentional agents that we construct in our brains as a means of short-cutting a truer analysis of what is going on in the world in which we have to live. My dangerous idea is that we shall eventually grow out of all this and even learn to laugh at it, just as we laugh at Basil Fawlty when he beats his car. But I fear it is unlikely that I shall ever reach that level of enlightenment.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: darwinism; dawkins; dawkinssermons; dawkinsthepreacher; evolution; responsibility
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To: SirLinksalot
I know all Darwinists don't end up in such a moral muddle as Dawkins. But it's sad to see what was once a fine mind so utterly corrupted and confused. On the dreary ocean of determinism, there be monsters.
21 posted on 10/20/2006 9:33:16 PM PDT by Semi Civil Servant (Colorado: the original Red State.)
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To: SirLinksalot

He's got a helluva good point! Someone who commits murder obviously has a broken brain. So, let's tie the b@%$#$d down and remove it --- we can just give him/her a new one when it is technologically feasible to do so...


22 posted on 10/20/2006 9:33:42 PM PDT by sailor4321
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To: SirLinksalot
biology was a mystery — Darwin solved that…”

And what if Darwin got it wrong? Dawkins life work is a complete waste.

23 posted on 10/20/2006 9:34:14 PM PDT by My2Cents (The Democrat Party's '06 platform: Offering a "Suicide Pact With America.")
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To: My2Cents
Expecting Dawkins to question Darwin is like expecting Osama bin Laden to second-guess Muhammad.
24 posted on 10/20/2006 9:35:47 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: Semi Civil Servant

Dawkins dispensed with God a long time ago. All of this mad spinning he does is an attempt to fill the vacuum. Truth be told, I bet Dawkins doesn't really believe most of it, but he's compelled to promote it because of the worldview he's adopted.


25 posted on 10/20/2006 9:37:19 PM PDT by My2Cents (The Democrat Party's '06 platform: Offering a "Suicide Pact With America.")
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To: JCEccles

Well put. It's amazing how people who reject the absolutes of scripture end up trying to find alternative absolutes. The situational ethicist says, "There are no absolutes," which prompts me to ask, "Are you absolutely sure about that?"


26 posted on 10/20/2006 9:39:26 PM PDT by My2Cents (The Democrat Party's '06 platform: Offering a "Suicide Pact With America.")
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To: jwalsh07
I used that word 'morals' as it seems to be synonymous to the left with Christians. Clearly Mr. Dawkins is anti-Christian.
27 posted on 10/20/2006 9:42:01 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: JCEccles

Mr. Dawkins is attempting to make sure Darwinian Evolution survives himself.


28 posted on 10/20/2006 9:45:06 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Felis_irritable
we're taking them off the streets so they cannot offend for a period of time.

Also so they cannot pass on their genes and culture, at least for a period of time. In Darwinian terms, jail is for fine tuning the human gene pool, war is for drastic adjustment.

29 posted on 10/20/2006 9:45:39 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: Just mythoughts

Clearly, Dawkins is an anti religious bigot since he paints with a very wide brush.


30 posted on 10/20/2006 9:46:50 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: SirLinksalot
Richard Dawkins Writes About Human Responsibility In Light of Darwinian Evolution

I didn't like this guy when he hosted Family Feud.

31 posted on 10/20/2006 9:46:51 PM PDT by blake6900 (THIS SPACE FOR RENT)
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To: SirLinksalot
People want to kill a criminal as payback for the horrible things he did.

So much for Dawkins as any sort of omniscient entity.
A fair number of people simply want the perp to never repeat the crime.
And neutralizing the perp for eternity is one sure-fire way to get that job done.
32 posted on 10/20/2006 9:47:27 PM PDT by VOA
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To: SirLinksalot
Richard Dawkins, in a recent poll of the Brits, was considered one of
the most (if not the most) influential scientists of our time.


And the percentage of Brits with a PhD in the sciences is?

He just happens to be a scientist. And a learned one.

But...he's influential because he's an evangelist.
33 posted on 10/20/2006 9:53:11 PM PDT by VOA
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To: My2Cents
And what if Darwin got it wrong? Dawkins life work is a complete waste.

But it is not his fault because he just had a defective brain.
34 posted on 10/20/2006 9:54:33 PM PDT by microgood
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To: SirLinksalot
Retribution as a moral principle is incompatible with a scientific view of human behaviour.

We do not need a higher power to give us a moral framework, we have Charlie for that.
35 posted on 10/20/2006 9:57:13 PM PDT by microgood
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To: microgood

I meant Richard, not Charles.


36 posted on 10/20/2006 9:58:12 PM PDT by microgood
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To: SirLinksalot
Assigning blame and responsibility is an aspect of the useful fiction of
intentional agents that we construct in our brains as a means of short-cutting
a truer analysis of what is going on in the world in which we have
to live.


Bill Clinton: Hey, where was this guy Dawkins when I needed him?

My dangerous idea is that we shall eventually grow out of all this and
even learn to laugh at it, just as we laugh at Basil Fawlty when
he beats his car.


Bill Clinton: Memo to self, get Branson to give this guy Dawkins
a big cash grant to fit out this new moral framework and get it
into the grade schools.
I may save my legacy yet!

37 posted on 10/20/2006 10:01:46 PM PDT by VOA
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To: SirLinksalot

It's impossible for Dawkins to write a single sentence that doesn't drip with arrogant cocksureness. The profound lack of humility in the man makes him one of the most unappealing -- and unserious -- public intellectuals on the scene today.


38 posted on 10/20/2006 10:04:59 PM PDT by beckett (Amor Fati)
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To: SirLinksalot
As scientists, we believe that human brains, though they may not work in the same way as man-made computers, are as surely governed by the laws of physics. When a computer malfunctions, we do not punish it. We track down the problem and fix it, usually by replacing a damaged component, either in hardware or software

And who gets to determine what constitutes human 'malfunction?' What function exactly are humans supposed to be performing, and why exactly are we supposed to place value on any particular ends?

These are questions to which atheism is incapable of giving an answer... though of course there are hordes of individual atheist-ideologues who think we should replace the ways that made this country prosperous with their particular vision of how to achieve an 'advanced society.'

Isn't the murderer or the rapist just a machine with a defective component? Or a defective upbringing? Defective education? Defective genes?

Incredibly disturbing. To Dawkins, every person is merely a soulless machine that invites tinkering when it meets Dawkins' own idea of "defective."

40 posted on 10/20/2006 10:40:57 PM PDT by MitchellC
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