Posted on 10/21/2006 6:52:00 AM PDT by El Oviedo
News media converged on Tan Nguyen's Garden Grove campaign office Friday expecting to hear from the Republican congressional candidate about a mailer sent out this week warning immigrants against voting in the November election.
Instead, the media horde got a front-row seat to a half-dozen agents from the state Attorney General's Office serving search warrants and combing through Nguyen's office.
Officers confiscated three computer hard drives, checked for fingerprints, leafed through files and interviewed Nguyen's attorney. Agents also searched Nguyen's Santa Ana home and a campaign worker's Anaheim home.
Despite burgeoning state and federal probes into the flier, Nguyen's attorney said Nguyen has no plans to withdraw as the Republican nominee for the 47th Congressional District race against incumbent Democrat Loretta Sanchez.
(Excerpt) Read more at ocregister.com ...
"You are being sent this letter because you were recently registered to vote. If you are a citizen of the United States, we ask that you participate in the democratic process of voting."By falsely accusing the letter of being a "hate crime", the leftists exposed their own hatred for the truth.
And possibly the LAPD!
According to a source close to the investigation, the attorney general's office has determined that an LAPD officer, who is a friend of a worker in Nguyen's office, paid $4,000 on a credit card for the bulk mailing of the letter and used an alias. ( Source)
The irony of these circumstance is that some or most of the information contained in this letter is exaclty the type of information that congressmen, testifying before the Data Management Task Force (also indirectly mentioned in the letter - installing a new computer system) are urging the DHS to publicize because many legal immigrants don't speak or read English and are being encouraged to vote in their native tounge.
You forgot a "Nice Try" on Hillery Health Care (Hellery Hellth)
And the complete BALKANIZATION of America continues.
Under U.S. law, there is no legal category labeled "immigrant" as such a generic term simply means somebody that has come from his original country to live permanently in another country.
Under U.S. law, the legal terms are:
Illegal Alien: someone that has entered the U.S. illegally.
Resident Alien: someone who has a Green Card.
Non-Resident Alien: someone that has a non-immigrant visa such as a student.
Naturalized Citizen: someone who immigrated to the U.S. and has been granted citizenship with all the legal rights accorded to a U.S. citizen except the right to be elected President of the United States.
If you send out hundreds of letters to a black neighborhood stating that it is a crime for convicted felons to vote, you can get away with that.
If you send out hundreds of letters to a black neighborhood stating that it is a crime for convicted felons OR BLACKS to vote, you are in deep legal trouble for voter intimidation.
If you send out hundreds of letters to an immigrant neighborhood stating that it is a crime for Illegal Aliens or Resident Aliens or Non-Resident Aliens to vote, you can get away with that.
If you send out hundreds of letters to an immigrant neighborhood stating that it is a crime for Illegal Aliens OR IMMIGRANTS to vote, you are in deep legal trouble for voter intimidation.
Till then put me down in the 'Can't Give A Crap' column.
L
So it wasn't even a noun? It was a conjigated verb? Very bad translation the press is putting out.
It sure sounded like you gave a crap until...well, nevermind...because I could just as easily say the same thing about myself (you are being stubborn).
But I'll agree that it's time to just forget it and move on...this thing isn't exactly a death threat and it isn't worth arguing over. It's a silly letter.
Have a good night.
Yes it does look like that. This time, the so called silent majority, will not sit still while the radicals take over the campus. If the people in charge do nothing but allow it, there will be a substantial response, and I don't mean letters to the editor.
You too.
L
Here is the link to the verbatim text of the prevailing Federal Voting Rights Act.
U.S. Code, TITLE 42 > CHAPTER 20 > SUBCHAPTER I > § 1971. Voting rights
After you are at the web page, click EDIT then click "Find on this page" then type the word "Immigrant" then click "Find".
You will not find the word "Immigrant" in the text of the prevailing Federal Voting Rights Act.
The law only mentions "All citizens of the United States who are otherwise qualified by law to vote...." and that includes immigrants, such as myself, who are naturalized citizens.
As I noted in Post 87:
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Under U.S. law, there is no legal category labeled "immigrant" as such a generic term simply means somebody that has come from his original country to live permanently in another country.
Under U.S. law, the legal terms are:
Illegal Alien: someone that has entered the U.S. illegally.
Resident Alien: someone who has a Green Card.
Non-Resident Alien: someone that has a non-immigrant visa such as a student.
Naturalized Citizen: someone who immigrated to the U.S. and has been granted citizenship with all the legal rights accorded to a U.S. citizen except the right to be elected President of the United States.
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Regardless of the current American popular culture fad to make the word "immigrant" synonymous with "any person, usually a Mexican, living in the U.S. illegally", neither U.S. law nor the rest of the World subscribes to that massacre of the English or Spanish words both derived from the Latin word "Immigro" which means "moving into".
In the rest of the world, "immigrant" still means a person that leaves his original country to live permanently in another country and, since that word can apply to anybody from the current Governor of California to the guy that is still wet from illegally crossing the Rio Grande, U.S. law ignores the word completely and uses the legally precise terms of "Illegal Alien", "Resident Alien", "Non-Resident Alien" and "Naturalized Citizen".
Regardless of his citizenship status at his death, Andrew Carnegie will always be an immigrant.
Carnegie was not born in America. He immigrated (moved into) to America. That makes him an "immigro" according to the Latin language, an "immigrant" according to the English language and an "emigrado" from his native country and an "immigrante" into America in the Spanish language.
Andrew Carnegie was a Scottish immigrant to the United States in the mid-19th Century.
Likewise, regardless of their citizenship status after naturalization Arnold Schwarzenegger, Albert Einstein, Werner von Braun and Bob Hope will always be immigrants.
Nothing can change the meaning of the words that denote how they got to America any more than the Mayflower Pilgrims can become Native Americans.
What you will find in the wording of the prevailing Voting Rights Act is:
(b) Intimidation, threats, or coercion
No person, whether acting under color of law or otherwise, shall intimidate, threaten, coerce, or attempt to intimidate, threaten, or coerce any other person for the purpose of interfering with the right of such other person to vote or to vote as he may choose, or of causing such other person to vote for, or not to vote for, any candidate..........
Informing a "citizens of the United States who is otherwise qualified by law to vote" who happens to be an immigrant that "You are advised that if ........ you are an immigrant, voting in a federal election is a crime that could result in jail time, and you will be deported" is as blatant a violation of the prevailing Voting Rights Act as you are likely to find now that burning crosses on voter's lawn is no longer fashionable.
After executing search warrents and gathering evidence, it seems that the law enforcement agencies are taking care of such details.
Till then put me down in the 'Can't Give A Crap' column.
Then don't waste your time on threads that deal with debate.
Try this one instead:
You're mistaking this thread with one that contains actual debate.
L
Tan Nguyen would get my vote if I lived there. My understanding is Vietnamese have trouble bringing relatives to the USA in comparison to how wide open this nation is to illegal immigration from Mexico on South. That this had bred resentment.
Vietnamese fought on our side. When have Mexicans ever done so? They despise the gringo while Vietnamese have no such phony resentments
Informing a "citizens of the United States who is otherwise qualified by law to vote" who happens to be an immigrant.
Like a dog that refuses to release the catch, the author steadfastly clings to an impossibility which the reply itself details with great care. An alien votes illegally and a citizen exercises a legitimate franchise. With regard to franchise, citizenship ends alien status, aliens can't legally vote and voters can't legally be both.
Regardless, thanks for the effort. The reply contained more fact and less rant which is progress. The author went from a series of emotional presentations starting with immigrant pride, to voting rights, to the privileges and contributions of regulated immigrants, a term, incidentally, never mentioned in the letter, to a discussion of the facts associated with legal eligibility to vote in US federal elections, which was addressed in the letter.
BTW: "immigrant" still means .. defined emigrant, not immigrant.
Will someone please use the letter and revise it so that we can hand it out with it being considered tampering. I think at most it is the deletion or addtion of a word... The sub text of the letter is very valid...
TAN NGUYEN WAS BORN IN DANANG, VIETNAM IN 1973. When Tan was eight, his family fled their homeland, escaping the communist regime, on a small boat. Tan's father had been imprisoned after a first failed attempt, but was determined to free his family from the oppressive government. Tan still has vivid recollections of that long, dangerous journey, a pivotal influence in Tan's development and drive.
Settling in California, the family worked hard to achieve a better life. As the eldest of five children, Tan learned from his parents to be responsible and caring for his sisters and brothers, and the value of hard work. Tan labored, along with his mother and father, as farm workers as they began their new life in the U.S.A.
Tan worked his way through college, first at U.C.L.A then graduating from the University of Minnesota with a Baccalaureate degree that emphasized Business-Economics, Biochemistry and Asian Studies.
After graduation, Tan married Hanh Lam and together they settled in Southern California. Tan worked as an Investment Advisor for American Express and then A.G. Edwards where he enjoyed helping clients achieve their financial goals. Currently, Tan is working as an Independent Investment Advisor, specializing in asset management.
In 2004, Tan decided to run for Congress. Tan went up against a political heavyweight, who was the Regional Vice Chair for the Los Angeles County Democratic Party. While critics predicted that Tan would only get 1% to 2% of the votes, he received 33%. The result was viewed as a Herculean effort and a success, given the fact that the Democratic Party backed his opponent heavily.
Tan believes that in AMERICA, Nothing is Impossible.
Tan's message is simple and is populist in nature:
"…A congressman must represent the people of his district and must bring THEIR views to Washington, not the other way around."
Thus, Tan's stance on the issues of the day such as Immigration (against illegal immigration), the Budget (the deficit must be eliminated), and pharmaceuticals for the elderly (medicines should be permitted to be re-imported from Canada), may fly in the face of the powers that be, but will always be close to how people actually feel.
Tan will represent all the people in our district with the same care and diligence that he has applied to his life. Tan has the energy and the enthusiasm to make a difference.
I believe the letter in general is true and accurate except this paragraph which I believe to be FALSE.
That's unfortunately underminds any credibility the letter might otherwise have.
Obviously if you are still an immigrant, you are not a citizen and thus cannot legally register to vote according to the CA SoS's website.
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