[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

The weird thing is, the social conservatives are less nanny statists than the so-called "moderates" who always vote for all the social programs that are offered to fix the problems created by a lack of moral values.

And judicial branch of the government ordered moral indifference and unborn child murder is hardly less government. Personal responsiblity has long been dead. No one has to fund their own retirement, educate their own children, pay for the research on or drugs for their sexually-promiscuously acquired venereal diseases, and on and on. Hostility to religion and any kind of moral social structure -- like a nature based, reality based, traditionally based definition of marriage -- has left no one but the government responsible for the disasters people make of their lives. The more responsible you are, the more baggage you have to pick up and carry for the irresponsible.

America gave up on freedom a long time ago.

[little jeremiah]

BTTT.

The only reason, for instance, that porn and sodomy are legal, is because of nanny state judicial activism. Let individual communities decide for themselves - state or even more local. Would liber(al)tarians like this? No - that want such crap forced down everyone's throat by the JBThuggery of big government.

And they have the gall to label me and others like me as nanny staters.

I am in favor of cutting all - state and fedgov - spending by 50%, for a start. A lot of social problems will wither on the vine once the teat dries up.

[Elsie]

Hard to disagree with this... 8-<