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HAS OUR TIME COME? (Blame CATO/Libertarians for this election result)
CATO Institute by way of Heretical Ideas.com ^ | 10/24/2006 | Tom Traina

Posted on 11/08/2006 8:08:12 AM PST by Matchett-PI

Has Our Time Come? http://www.hereticalideas.com/

A **new study from the Cato Institute [see link below] suggests that libertarians might be the new swing vote.

The libertarian vote is in play. At some 13 percent of the electorate, it is sizable enough to swing elections. Pollsters, political strategists, candidates, and the media should take note of it.

After examining the relevant polling data, Cato concludes that libertarians and libertarian sympathizers constitute somewhere between 10 and 20% of the American population. Some explanations are offered as to why libertarians constitute such a bigger constituency than one might expect. First is that libertarians tend not to be as well-organized as other interest groups. Most groups that organize and try to exert political influence want some sort of government action: unions want favorable labor laws passed, the Christian Coalition wants abortion outlawed and anti-homosexual laws passed, environmentalists want pollution restricted and ecosystems protected, businesses want favorable tax and commercial laws. Libertarians generally don’t want government to take action, and are therefore less likely to organize into a pressure group because of that. It also argues that the difficulty people have in breaking out of the left-right liberal-conservative paradigm of politics keeps “populists” (authoritarians) and libertarians underrepresented. While most political scholarship accepts the inadequacy of a simple one-dimensional view of politics, it hasn’t sunk down into popular culture as strongly. Often talk shows and debate programs on television and radio will feature someone “from the left” and someone “from the right”, squeezing libertarians out of the picture.

An unexplored reason that might contribute is the higher prevalence of libertarianism among younger people than older people. The Cato paper notes this statistic but doesn’t explore its relationship to voter turnout. It explains the phenomenon this way. Younger people were more influenced by 2 of the most significant individualist movements of the 20th century: the ’60s counter culture and the ’80s Reagan Revolution. As a result, younger generations have seen both the socially liberal and the economically conservative side of individualism and turn to libertarianism as a way to emulate both ideals. The downside is that since younger people in general are less likely to vote, libertarians wind up underrepresented at the polls.

But don’t libertarian have to swing their votes to become a swing vote? Well, more and more frequently libertarian-minded people are losing the loyalty to the party they usually vote for (mostly the GOP), which puts their vote as a bloc in play.

Many commentators noted the high turnout in the 2004 election. Nationally, voter turnout increased 6.1 percent. That might help explain some of the swing in 2004. According to ANES data, libertarians reported turning out to vote at higher percentages than total respondents in 2000 and even higher in 2004.

This libertarian swing trend is particularly pronounced by age. Libertarians aged 18–29­ many of whom were new voters in 2004­ voted 71–42 for Kerry. Libertarians aged 30–49 voted almost completely the reverse, 72–21 for Bush.

Going back to the generational argument, I imagine that older individuals who can remember a time when the religious Right wasn’t nearly as omnipresent of a force in the Republican Party and therefore don’t automatically associate it with tirades about the moral dangers of homosexuality and feticide. So I can understand younger libertarians leaning more democratic than older ones who might remember the time of more Goldwater-like or even maybe Reagan-like Republicans.

What does all this mean in practical terms? What will we see coming out of the major political parties Conservatives resist cultural change and personal liberation; liberals resist economic dynamism and globalization. Libertarians embrace both. The political party that comes to terms with that can win the next generation.

It would really be great to see both political parties converge to a libertarian center. But as the article points out, the nature of libertarians makes them much harder to corral than other groups, which makes attracting us to their political parties a far more expensive and riskier proposition than going after churchgoers and soccer moms. Perhaps in time it will happen. But I doubt it will happen very soon.

** http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1718392/posts


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KEYWORDS: cato; catoinstitute; election2006; liberaltarians; libertarians; tomtraina; waaaahmbulance
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To: Matchett-PI
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Matchett-PI,


Add in the fact that the DemocRAT base turned out in greater percentages than the Republican base in most of the races, it spelled the disasterous result we saw last night.


This is my only post concerning last night's election.


You're correct. Too many Republicans just stayed home ... whoever they are, whatever their pious self-serving reasons, I hope they have the stomach for the absolute mess the next two years will be.


Pray for President Bush ...


Patton-at-Bastogne

"May God and His Angels Guard Your Sacred Throne, and May You Long Become It."

Shakespeare, Henry V, Act I, Scene II


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161 posted on 11/08/2006 10:29:30 AM PST by Patton@Bastogne
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To: Captain Kirk

Hurray for the greedy anarchists!


162 posted on 11/08/2006 10:33:57 AM PST by Blue State Insurgent (Those who know the truth need to speak out against these kinds of myths, and lies, and distortions..)
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To: MHGinTN
Neal Boortz must be smugly proud today that his call to spank the pubbies has been accomplished. One can only hope Neal is not in the area of the coming al qaeda slaughter. He needs the chance to apologize to those dolts he's manipulated and renounce his suicide urges.

Oh, please! You sound like you are rationalizing mountains of bad policy decisions (read big government spending, no social security reform, no tax reform, etc.) by Denny Hastert & Co. on the threat of al queda slaughter someone? jeesh!

163 posted on 11/08/2006 10:34:25 AM PST by cowtowney
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To: pjd
'Conservatives resist cultural change and personal liberation' ... "That's just plain wrong."

I agree. I didn't write it... I only posted the writer's words: HAS OUR TIME COME? by Tom Traina

164 posted on 11/08/2006 10:37:07 AM PST by Matchett-PI (To have no voice in the Party that always sides with America's enemies is a badge of honor.)
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To: All
Politics is the problem -- not the solution.

Ninety-plus percent of the populace doesn't' initiate force, fraud or coercion against other persons. That fact has nothing to do with politics. It's a conscious choice. 

So who are the criminals? They're the murderers, rapists, thieves and fraudsters. Especially fraudster politicians and bureaucrats.

Take into account politics, republicans and democrats support initiating force, fraud and coercion against persons -- libertarians don't.

Remember, 90+% of people don't initiate force against other persons or their property. And they disprove of other citizens initiating force against anyone or their property.

Yet, when it comes to government agents, democrat and republican voters support government agents initiating force against individuals and their property.

 Libertarians accept government agents as their equals -- similar to accepting anyone regardless of their occupation as equals.. They view criminals, regardless of their occupation as, well... criminals. 

Republican and democrat supporters accept government agents as their betters, Rationalizing the fact that they initiate force, fraud and coercion against citizens and their property. They deem criminal politicians their betters.

Some, perhaps many, republican and democrat supporters self-righteously and stupidly criticize libertarians for not joining them to support their brand of government initiation of force against citizens and their property. Criticize them for not accepting criminal politicians as their betters.

Might as well ask a person which they want: a fat lip or busted eyebrow? Or: do you want your left or right pocket picked?

Voting for the lesser of evils still begets evil. Politics is not the solution -- politics is the problem. Criminals are the problem. The most destructive, most value-destroying criminals are politicians and bureaucrats. You know who they are -- withdraw your support. 

For goodness sake, stop trying to persuade innocent citizens that stand firmly on the principle that no person may initiate force against anyone or their property to join you in support of your brand of value-destroying, force-initiating, criminal politicians. 

Dump the criminals. Stand firm on the principle which you and 90+% of the populace honor and respect of one another.

165 posted on 11/08/2006 10:42:11 AM PST by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: GSlob

Some people have a tendency to confuse "80% of what they want" with "20% of what they don't want".


166 posted on 11/08/2006 10:42:21 AM PST by Sofa King (A wise man uses compromise as an alternative to defeat. A fool uses it as an alternative to victory.)
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To: Sofa King

When what one wants is [in a nutshell] to be left alone, getting confused about it becomes nontrivial.


167 posted on 11/08/2006 10:44:26 AM PST by GSlob
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To: DesScorp

REPUBLICAN LIBERTY CAUCUS POSITION STATEMENT
posted by Jim Robinson

Address:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-rlc/721810/posts


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I don't care who posted it. A "libertarian republican" is like a "social democrat"....only the first word really applies when describing them. "Libertarian Republicans" are a cancer on the party. And you can either let cancer consume you, or you can cut it out.


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In effect you claimed that conservative libertarians were not welcome on FR.

That is not true, as we can see above. -- Calm yourself.



168 posted on 11/08/2006 10:45:18 AM PST by tpaine
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To: GSlob

People are really, really good at getting confused about things once they start acting out on emotion rather than thinking.


169 posted on 11/08/2006 10:49:32 AM PST by Sofa King (A wise man uses compromise as an alternative to defeat. A fool uses it as an alternative to victory.)
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To: antiRepublicrat

You need to prove you can actually be a part of a real coalition that can win elections. What I've seen of libertarians is that they want all on their agenda, and will go home with the their ball if they don't get it.


170 posted on 11/08/2006 10:50:14 AM PST by My2Cents
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To: Dead Corpse

Son, particle physics is very easy for me. But what I can't understand (and what you refuse to explain) is your crazypost.

The first one.


171 posted on 11/08/2006 10:51:54 AM PST by AmishDude (Democrats raise taxes.)
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To: dcam
"They (DEMS) won't do any better, but they won't do any worse either."

And you wonder why people never take you folks seriously?

172 posted on 11/08/2006 10:57:52 AM PST by CWOJackson
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To: AmishDude

Child, you understand nothing or you wouldn't spout such idiocy.


173 posted on 11/08/2006 10:59:59 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Well, thank you for this fruitful conversation. It is about what I expected.


174 posted on 11/08/2006 11:01:32 AM PST by AmishDude (Democrats raise taxes.)
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To: SamuraiScot
If the Founders read some of the assertions Libertarians make in their name, they would leave the room as if to escape a bad smell.
Two sources I have in mind include our legal prejudices in favor of normal family life and a military that can kick butt.

What you refer to as a 'normal family life' is because of natural law, or the law of nature and Nature's God of the Founders.

They were however, vehemently opposed to a standing army.

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Mr. Chairman, I most cordially agree, with the honorable member last up, that a standing army is one of the greatest mischiefs that can possibly happen. It is a great recommendation for this system, that it provides against this evil more than any other system known to us, and, particularly, more than the old system of confederation. The most effectual way to guard against a standing army, is to render it unnecessary. The most effectual way to render it unnecessary, is to give the general government full power to call forth the militia, and exert the whole natural strength of the Union, when necessary. Thus you will furnish the people with sure and certain protection, without recurring to this evil; and the certainty of this protection from the whole will be a strong inducement to individual exertion.
Madison

Like a previous poster said, the faster the GOP runs from the Constitution, the faster the Independent/Libertarian/Constitution party votes will run from it.

The Pubs have no one to blame but themselves .

175 posted on 11/08/2006 11:01:34 AM PST by MamaTexan (I am not a ~legal entity~, not am I a 'person' as created by law.)
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To: Matchett-PI
Here is what instapundit, a libertarian, wrote October 14th, 2006:

”A GOP PRE-MORTEM: So is it over for the GOP majorities in Congress? It's still too early to say, I guess, but when even John Hinderaker is sounding extremely gloomy that's certainly the way to bet.

”So I want to stress, for the edification of any Republican leaders who might pay attention, that this is the result of a series of unforced errors on their part. Following is a (partial) list:

”1. The Terri Schiavo affair: The bitterness it aroused, which was substantial, opened a fracture in the GOP coalition: Social-conservatives against the rest. And as I noted at the time, the social conservatives were pretty nasty to the rest. No, it wasn't really a case of "theocracy" at work, as people like Ralph Nader agreed with the social conservatives. But the haste to enact federal legislation over a matter of state law, and the mean-spiritedness with which those who disagreed were treated, did the Bush coalition no good. What's more, as I noted at the time (see first link above), this wasn't enough to make the social conservatives happy anyway. Politically, I think this marked the beginning of the end.

”2. The Harriet Miers debacle: Plenty of warning in the blogs that this was a big mistake, but all ignored by the White House and Congressional leadership. Social conservatives were mad here, and so was anyone who cared about the credentials of nominees. The nomination was withdrawn, but the damage was done.

”3. The Dubai Ports disaster: Here I think that the Administration was on defensible ground from a policy perspective, but its ham-handed approach -- once again ignoring early warnings from the blogs -- turned it into a mess, and cost it major credibility with its national security constituency. The Administraiton was bumbling and inept in addressing this matter, which gained currency because of its flaccid stance on the cartoon Jihad. The consequence: Lost faith from its strongest constituency.

”4. Immigration: Another unforced error. The national security constituency once again lost faith in the Administration. You can't talk about secure borders when the borders are porous. The Administration also failed to make a strong clear argument for immigration, outsourcing that to the Wall Street Journal, which did its best but couldn't do the President's job. Again, the White House's position on immigration was defensible in the abstract, but favoring easy immigration is one thing, favoring easy illegal immigration is another.

”5. William Jefferson: A Democratic Congressman is caught in a bribery scandal with a freezer full of cash, and Dennis Hastert backs him up, making clear that protection of insider privilege is more important to the Republican leadership in Congress than either party or principle. The White House, at least, intervened here, eventually. Add to this the GOP leadership's failure to follow through on promised ethics reforms, and its addiction to pork-barrel spending, and you've got lots of reason to think that they don't stand for anything except stuffing their pockets.

”6. Foleygate: Not much of a scandal in itself, but the last straw for a lot of people. As Rich Lowry noted, a long chain of missteps and self-serving actions has exhausted their stock of moral and political capital, leaving them vulnerable to, well, almost anything. This was probably enough.

”At the end of this process, the Republicans have managed to leave every segment of the base unhappy, mostly over things that weren't even all that important. It's as if they had some sort of bizarre death wish. Looks like the wish will come true . . . .

”As I've said before, the Republicans deserve to lose, though alas the Democrats don't really deserve to win, either. I realize that you go to war with the political class you have, but even back in the 1990s it was obvious that we had a lousy political class. It hasn't improved, but the challenges have gotten greater. Can the country continue to do well, with such bad political leadership? I hope so, because I see no sign of improvement, no matter who wins next month.

”As I wrote earlier, in suggesting that the GOP deserved to lose:

”The counter-case is that a Democratic House would be a disaster for the country. I gathered from Boortz's discussion that that's the case that Hannity and Limbaugh were making yesterday. It's a strong argument -- except that if Republican control of the Congress is so all-fired important to the future of civilization, then why haven't the Republicans who control Congress been acting as if it is so important? . . .

”Were GOP control of the Congress so important to the country, wouldn't the GOP leadership have exercised a trifle more self-discipline and self-denial? And if it's not capable of doing so, then what kind of leadership is it?

If, as seems likely, the GOP fares badly in next month, it should ponder this point. If it somehow squeaks through -- well, then it should ponder this point just as hard, as it will have squeaked through in spite of its performance, not because of it.

instapundit

176 posted on 11/08/2006 11:05:36 AM PST by Sunsong
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To: Matchett-PI
They don't call them "loser-tarians" for nothing. Now, not content with merely losing elections themselves, they're trying to make sure that Republicans lose as well.

Libertarianism is a phenomenon which occurs when young males (mainly, but some females too) fail to mature intellectually beyond age 18.
177 posted on 11/08/2006 11:06:15 AM PST by Antoninus (Fire Ken Mehlman....)
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To: AmishDude
It is about what I expected.

You got out of it what you put into it.

178 posted on 11/08/2006 11:09:25 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: My2Cents
You need to prove you can actually be a part of a real coalition that can win elections.

Our system doesn't work with coalitions, that's a parliamentary thing. Our system is all or nothing, and it's obvious by looking at our ballooning and intrusive federal government that working within the Republican party to make it more governmentally conservative isn't effective.

Let's just hope that this election will serve as a wake-up call to the Republican party. Maybe the libertarians will now be a special interest group that the Republicans will change their actions for in order to get reelected.

Personally, I'm just glad there were no worthwhile libertarians on my ballot for federal positions, so I didn't have the hard choice.

179 posted on 11/08/2006 11:19:21 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: CWOJackson
you folks

Who the heck is "you folks"? I'm a registered Republican, with a mean libertarian streak. Yesterday, I voted straight R. I am a constitutionalist, a patriot, a veteran, and a Christian. The reason so many of us call ourselves libertarian-Republicans is because the Republican Party has lost their way.

180 posted on 11/08/2006 11:20:08 AM PST by rivercat (The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers. - William Shakespeare)
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