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Bush says open to suggestions on Iraq
Reuters ^ | November 9 2006

Posted on 11/09/2006 9:01:04 AM PST by jmc1969

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To: Dead Corpse

Well said! For ex., I've never understood why we allowed Iraqi households, esp. in Anbar province to keep a weapon, usually an AK, and ammo. How many have been used to attack us?
Disarm and withdraw all `friendly' Iraqis, then find a `Curtis LeMay' somewhere in the Air Force, followed by a George Patton. Then sow salt.
One of the "very worst mistakes" (resulting from running a `hearts & minds' compassionate war) from that Cl. quotation: political failure.


41 posted on 11/09/2006 10:16:54 AM PST by tumblindice ("In this school of war called life, what doesn't kill us makes us stronger." Some dead German)
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To: Dead Corpse
Seriously. WTF are we waiting for? We fire bombed Dresden. We nuked Hiroshima. Why is Sadr City still standing? Reduce the entire Sunni triangle to rubble

The Shia are more than happy to do that for free.

42 posted on 11/09/2006 10:17:49 AM PST by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: tumblindice
Unfortunately, such actions are "politically messy" and don't win elections.

Ergo, it'll never happen.

Keep your BoB handy. Things could get "exciting" in a neighborhood near you once the jihadi's are done training up in Hugo's little training camps in Venezuela.

43 posted on 11/09/2006 10:20:04 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: Antoninus
That doesn't matter. Every failure in the WoT under majority Democrat control will be blamed on Bush--for the next 40 years. Don't you know how these things work?

Of course. I watched 20 years of blaming Reagan.

44 posted on 11/09/2006 10:24:42 AM PST by rhombus
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To: rhombus
He's just baiting the Democrats to make stupid suggetions

Exactly. Now finally we get to hear what their "plan" is.

The public will see that they don't have one.

45 posted on 11/09/2006 10:25:45 AM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: jmc1969
"I'm open to any idea or suggestion that will help us achieve our goals of defeating the terrorists and ensuring that Iraq's democratic government succeeds," Bush said in a Rose Garden appearance with members of his Cabinet.

That is the key. No weasel words there.

46 posted on 11/09/2006 10:31:53 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Paloma_55
... is that now there is no political value for the Democrats to oppose the war.

Of course, I am always an optimist..so I might be deluding myself.

I am afraid you are too opimistic. You are under estimating the Democrats' greed for power and lack of concern with this country's welfare. They don't enact liberal social policies for the benefit of the people, they are buying votes to the detriment of the people and extending the reach of the government, which is them when they have their way.

They will keep up the attack on the Republicans up until they steal the 2008 election. Their only plan is to attack the political oppsition rather than defeating any real enemy.

Pelosi will never succeed in disposing of Cheney and Bush and becoming President herself, Hillary won't allow it, but she will muddy them up as much as possible.

47 posted on 11/09/2006 10:39:32 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Paloma_55
It gives us an opportunity to shift tactics dramatically, and this might not be all bad.

Bush can play "Good cop" with the Iraqi government telling them that now the Dems have Congress, the Iraqi government is going to have to really stand up or the Dems (bad cop) will pull the rug out from under him/them.

Yes. we need to be much more sober and realistic in our assessment of what is possible in Iraq. We need to leave an Iraq that is not a breeding ground for terrorists and is a better place than when we invaded. We need to help the Iraqis develop a sense of prosperity so that they have something to work for and something to give their children. Iraqis need jobs and oil revenue. They need to reduce the rampant corruption and find meaningful work We can help with that while respecting their traditions and beliefs. There is no sense setting goals that the Iraqis do not value.

48 posted on 11/09/2006 11:13:53 AM PST by Sunsong
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To: Paradox
I'm sure he is sincere, but you are right, it IS a trap question. He is going to "appease" the democrats to death. Kill them with kindness and cooperation..... for a while.

Killing them with kindness and respect is the right thing to do now. The public wants adults in office. There is no reason we can't be polite, courteous and respectful in our dealings with the dems. It doesn't mean we compromise our principles - it means that we listen, try to understand, try to work together and use a lot of common decency and good humor. I like this:

[[[Blogger Bill Whittle of Eject! Eject! Eject! put an inspiring spin on Republican losses: “I wish to tell my friends to be cheerful and especially to be of good will. Disappointments come and go, but moments of courage and integrity in dark hours will be there when the stars grow cold. We have lost the election, so let us maintain our determination, our dignity and our sense of humor, and let us take this moment to reflect upon how our actions have fallen short of our ideals. And then, finally, let’s act like the Americans we are, roll up our sleeves and start rebuilding. We who have survived the Civil War, the Nazis and the Communists can probably manage to find a way to preserve the Republic in the face of Speaker Pelosi.”]]]

49 posted on 11/09/2006 11:21:01 AM PST by Sunsong
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To: Sunsong
We need to leave an Iraq that is not a breeding ground for terrorists and is a better place than when we invaded. We need to help the Iraqis develop a sense of prosperity so that they have something to work for and something to give their children. Iraqis need jobs and oil revenue. They need to reduce the rampant corruption and find meaningful work We can help with that while respecting their traditions and beliefs.

You seem to have confused the Military with Social Services.

The military is good at 2 things: Killing people and breaking things.

They aren't social workers with machine guns.

This idiotic Neo-Wilsonian Globo-Socialist Nation Building Crap is what is killing us in Iraq.

50 posted on 11/09/2006 11:23:43 AM PST by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: AdamSelene235
I think it is you who are confused. The electorate has just spoken and they want us out, honorably, from Iraq. Get used to what I am suggesting - 'cause that is much more likely to be what happens than for us to kill more people and break more things.

There were no WMD's. That was a blow to our reasoning for going in there. Now the voters are very unhappy with our young men and women dying over there and no end in sight.

Americans do not like war. They want it over with with the least amount of casualites and damage. The people rule in America and what needs to happen in Iraq is not more killing - but working with the Iraqis realistically - with respect toward who they are - with the goal of leaving them with a system that will not be a breeding ground for terrorists and is a better place than the one we invaded.

51 posted on 11/09/2006 11:39:22 AM PST by Sunsong
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To: Sunsong
The people rule in America and what needs to happen in Iraq is not more killing - but working with the Iraqis realistically - with respect toward who they are - with the goal of leaving them with a system that will not be a breeding ground for terrorists and is a better place than the one we invaded.

What color is the sky in your world? Iraq is not going to turn into Sweden. Its future is one of civil war, genocide and ethnic cleansing of the Sunni population.

52 posted on 11/09/2006 11:44:23 AM PST by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: MadIvan
[ He should phrase it more sharply. He should say that "It is clear the American public have an interest in the policies and plans of the Democrats. Very well then, I am open to hearing their plans for how we can best resolve the Iraq situation. Let them present their ideas and let's discuss the benefits and drawbacks openly." ]

Exactly.. Ivan.. and more he "could" develop some TV footage on the conversations.. C-Span whatever.. Even an "investigation" into efficient strategies.. on whats to be done in Iraq and the mideast generally..

Theres got to be some democrats that would attend and display their total Moonbat tactics.. With Bush in charge the adults could "spank" them fully and with prejudice..

53 posted on 11/09/2006 11:50:07 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperboles)
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To: jmc1969

Here's a suggestion: Take the gloves off and request Al-Sadr's head by sundown.


54 posted on 11/09/2006 11:55:42 AM PST by Azzurri
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To: hosepipe
Exactly.. Ivan.. and more he "could" develop some TV footage on the conversations.. C-Span whatever.. Even an "investigation" into efficient strategies.. on whats to be done in Iraq and the mideast generally.. Theres got to be some democrats that would attend and display their total Moonbat tactics.. With Bush in charge the adults could "spank" them fully and with prejudice..

Bush would have to have someone stand in for him as he incapable of communicating effectively or thinking on his feet. At best, he can stumble through a script prepared for him by a speech writer but when he speaks freely he comes across as confused and incompetent.

Surely you've noticed this by now.

55 posted on 11/09/2006 11:57:02 AM PST by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: Sunsong

People are fed up with seeing American soldiers in a 'politically correct' war. We see the neccessity for war at times and don't shrink from it. But, pc wars are wasteful of lives and money.


56 posted on 11/09/2006 12:01:14 PM PST by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: AdamSelene235
[ Bush would have to have someone stand in for him as he incapable of communicating effectively or thinking on his feet. ]

Right Ari Fleisher would be good..

57 posted on 11/09/2006 12:04:07 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperboles)
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To: AdamSelene235
The people rule in America and what needs to happen in Iraq is not more killing - but working with the Iraqis realistically - with respect toward who they are - with the goal of leaving them with a system that will not be a breeding ground for terrorists and is a better place than the one we invaded.

There is nothing in that statement that says Iraq is like Sweden. It says, specifically, that we need to respect who the Iraqis are. We need to respect their mentality, their beliefs, their attitudes, their culture etc

It may be that three semi-autonomous regions under a loose federal system [if something can be figured out to do with Baghdad] is a good way to go. Each region must be safe and secure and all Iraqis need to benefit from the oil money.

But it is not helpful for us to do more killing or breaking of things.

58 posted on 11/09/2006 12:10:53 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: monkeywrench
People are fed up with seeing American soldiers in a 'politically correct' war. We see the neccessity for war at times and don't shrink from it. But, pc wars are wasteful of lives and money.

I am not talking about a politically correct war. I am talking about common sense. It does us no good to try and pretend that the Iraqis want the kind of society we want. They don't. They hate each other. We should have been factoring that in from the beginning.

And you are wrong, anyway, about what people want. The electorate has just spoken and they want Iraq solved...soon!

59 posted on 11/09/2006 12:15:18 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: Sunsong
We need to respect their mentality, their beliefs, their attitudes, their culture etc

One of their strongly held beliefs is that several million of their countrymen need to die immediately.

It may be that three semi-autonomous regions under a loose federal system [if something can be figured out to do with Baghdad] is a good way to go. Each region must be safe and secure and all Iraqis need to benefit from the oil money.

That's nice. Lemme guess, Americans get to do all the heavy lifting.

But it is not helpful for us to do more killing or breaking of things.

We don't have to. All we have to do is respect their mentality, their beliefs, their attitudes, their culture and they will do all the killing for us.

60 posted on 11/09/2006 12:16:30 PM PST by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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