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To: Keltik
The socialists at least declare the existence of some sort of moral order; the libertarians are quite bottomless.

I think that the Libertarians are quite clear about their moral order - human beings are not chattel for the government or other people do use as they please.

In a time requiring long views and self-denial, alliance with a faction founded upon doctrinaire selfishness would be absurd-and practically damaging.

Odd using the term "self-denial". Only the libertarian ideal could delayed gratification be considered self-denial. The statist beliefs of the other parties would be best described as "other-denial" - i.e. you can't have that because I'm in charge.

collective adversaries of ordered freedom

"Ordered Freedom"? The author just sprained my Orwell-to-English dictionary.

17 posted on 11/09/2006 1:36:29 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Hey Kerry, What part of showing heels and ass is a winning strategy in Iraq?)
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To: KarlInOhio
"Ordered Freedom"? The author just sprained my Orwell-to-English dictionary.

LOL... excellent.

25 posted on 11/09/2006 1:39:56 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: KarlInOhio
"Ordered Freedom"? The author just sprained my Orwell-to-English dictionary.

(I) thought that I could organise freedom
how scandinavian of me

Bjork, Hunter

27 posted on 11/09/2006 1:40:29 PM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: KarlInOhio
Odd using the term "self-denial". Only the libertarian ideal could delayed gratification be considered self-denial.

Under the libertarian concept of individual responsibility, self-denial is sometimes required to reap a greater reward later, or to meet the obligations one has freely assumed in an agreement with others.

Under the statist view of the world... well, I simply don't know how to explain it better than the grand high queen of that worldview:

"Many of you are well enough off that ... the tax cuts may have helped you... We're saying that for America to get back on track, we're probably going to cut that short and not give it to you.
We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."
--Hillary Rodham Clinton

39 posted on 11/09/2006 2:02:27 PM PST by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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