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American Drugs In Egyptian Mummies
Colorado State Edu ^ | S A Wells

Posted on 11/11/2006 3:14:05 PM PST by blam

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To: Jeff Chandler; djf
Spam? Nope. Came from America three hundred years later. And Europe still fails to appreciate or comprehend all the great goodies they got from the New World. If things keep up, the big dish of the continent will be goat and rice. And the American idea of constitutional government will be done as interpreted by the council of mullahs.
21 posted on 11/11/2006 4:24:29 PM PST by oyez (Why is it that egalitarians act like royalty?)
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To: somniferum
The Horse Creek Petroglyph Of West Virginia

North African Language

22 posted on 11/11/2006 4:32:15 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

Since all those items can be found in the Near East and the Middle East, why should anyone be surprised that they may be found in mummies?


23 posted on 11/11/2006 4:35:24 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ

Cocaine, hashish and nicotine are all from plants native to the Americas, so why would anyone say that they could be found in the Near East and Middle East (which are two terms for the same region)?


24 posted on 11/11/2006 4:50:13 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Dhimmicrati delenda est! https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
Info from Wikipedia, so take with 64.80 milligrams NaCl.

It is believed that hash first orginated from Central Asia, as these regions were some of the first to be populated by the Cannabis plant, which may have originated in the Himalayas. Hash quickly spread around the world after the Arabs began to gather and trade it.

25 posted on 11/11/2006 5:14:27 PM PST by ASA Vet (3.03)
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To: SunkenCiv

Perhaps the plants in question were brought to the americas by ancient egyptian mariners when climates were quite different. The plants became extinct in its true native land when Egypt's climate failed to support it (or the coca blight hit), and it thrived in the Americas where it had been transported. Thousands of years later it was discovered as a new plant of the new world, when it was just the same old stuff that their great great .................... grandparents used to soothe toothaches on the banks of the Nile.


26 posted on 11/11/2006 5:18:25 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: blam

Whose pyramids are older, the Americans' or the Egyptians'?


27 posted on 11/11/2006 5:20:53 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: ASA Vet

That could easily be. :') Not so for cocaine or nicotine.


28 posted on 11/11/2006 5:45:26 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Dhimmicrati delenda est! https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam

this is BS. Basque isn't related to anything by the way. Scholars have been trying to connect it to other languages for the last hundred years without success.


29 posted on 11/11/2006 5:46:11 PM PST by slaymakerpowertape
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To: ValerieUSA
Whose pyramids are older, the Americans' or the Egyptians'?
Hmm, check out Caral, there's a recent topic in the GGG keyword link at message one. :')
30 posted on 11/11/2006 5:47:23 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Dhimmicrati delenda est! https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: ValerieUSA

The Egyptians would have had quite a trip ahead of them, because Peru's on the west coast of S America. :') Obviously it also makes a lot more sense that the plant was native to the one place it was known to be cultivated in the 16th century when Pizarro got there. It has been suggested that there was an extinct plant along the Nile or whatnot, which was a distant relative of the coca plant. Advocates of this idea are stuck with saying the same thing about the nicotine, although there are relatives of tobacco in the eastern hemisphere; those don't have sufficient quantity of nicotine.

The location of Peru is also something of a problem for the ancient navigation idea, because it would make sense that the coca leaves would have left some sort of trail of trade into, say, the eastern coast of Central America, where the Egyptians could have obtained 'em.

OTOH, if Egyptians (or others, such as the Phoenicians, who are known to have explored and settled the western coast of Africa, and to have circumnavigated Africa) had found the Amazon, trade with Peruvian cultures is more plausible. :')


31 posted on 11/11/2006 5:54:47 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Dhimmicrati delenda est! https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
Hashish has been used in the Middle East for years. It is from where the term "Assassin" is derived. Islamic leaders would get their fighters hopped up on hash, then send them off to murder someone. Sound familiar?

Poppies have been grown in that area for centuries. I don't think they are native to the Americas. Coca might be, but there could be something grown in the Middle East that acts the same way.

32 posted on 11/11/2006 5:59:53 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: ndt; blam

The Straight Dope on Silphium:
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/061013.html


33 posted on 11/11/2006 6:01:03 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Dhimmicrati delenda est! https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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even better:

Silphium: Ancient Wonder Drug?
by John Tatman
http://ancient-coins.com/articles/silphium/silphium2.htm


34 posted on 11/11/2006 6:02:20 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Dhimmicrati delenda est! https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: ValerieUSA
"Whose pyramids are older, the Americans' or the Egyptians'?"

American, at Caral. The age of the 'oldest' pyramid in Greece is in dispute.

There are more pyramids in Mexico than all the rest of the world combined.

35 posted on 11/11/2006 6:03:21 PM PST by blam
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To: SuziQ

Poppies are the source of opium.

Opium is not cocaine, nor is it nicotine, and all three are chemically distinct.

Cocaine and nicotine came from plants native to the Americas.

There are no plants known to contain the levels found in the studied mummies other than coca and tobacco.


36 posted on 11/11/2006 6:05:06 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Dhimmicrati delenda est! https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam
The age of the 'oldest' pyramid in Greece is in dispute.
The pyramid in Greece is from classical times, and isn't from the 3rd millennium, as has been claimed by just a handful of nationalists.
37 posted on 11/11/2006 6:07:00 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Dhimmicrati delenda est! https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
Maybe these people are the exiled remnants of an ancient drug trade?

Kuelap - The Machu Picchu Of Northern Peru (Chachapoyas - White, blonde haired people)"

38 posted on 11/11/2006 6:10:36 PM PST by blam
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[singing] let's go get stoned...
Google

39 posted on 11/11/2006 6:12:14 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Dhimmicrati delenda est! https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
Cocaine and nicotine came from plants native to the Americas.

Possibly, but who knows what travels and trading were done way back when, that might have resulted in some of those plants finding their way to the Middle East? One never knows... ;o)

By the way, did the story say that these mummies came out of their sarcophagi like this, or are these mummies that had been discovered previously? If the latter is the case, it's likely contamination from those who handled the mummies first.

40 posted on 11/11/2006 6:13:57 PM PST by SuziQ
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