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The Donald Rumsfeld I know isn't the one you know
St. Paul Pioneer Press ^
| Nov. 12, 2006
| Douglas J. Feith
Posted on 11/12/2006 8:01:47 AM PST by rhema
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To: Prost1
And of course, Bremer, by disbanding all units and officials did not help matters.
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Mostly I agree with you, but not about this.
The Iraqi Army was so politicized that keeping it would have left the Baathists in control of the Army, and they would have been undermining the new democratic government. There would have been no loyalty to it, the Army would be just waiting for the Americans to leave.
Think of the Reichswehr in Germany between the World Wars. Zero loyalty to the Wiemar Republic. Think of the average South American army in the 19th and early-mid 20th centuries. "We are the real country and the politicians are to be put in power and overthrown at our whim."
The results were better in West Germany and Japan after the war. Complete disbandment and a whole new Bundeswehr/Self-Defence Force, which knew it's place in the nation.
Lenin would have been a blip in Russian history if he hadn't abolished the old Imperial Army and started fresh with the Worker's-Peasant's Red Army.
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posted on
11/12/2006 9:41:22 AM PST
by
Cheburashka
(World's only Spatula City certified spatula repair and maintenance specialist!!!)
To: goldstategop
Don Rumsfeld goes the bum's rush because he sought to transform the U.S military into a post-Cold War institution. Actually a small force did a magnificient in Iraq. We accomplished in three weeks of the war with a force less than a third the size we deployed in Desert Storm. Bingo. But then, we entered another phase. Just like swift panzer spearheads were not appropriate for occupation of urban areas, a small force is unable to conduct effective counterinsurgency against a skilled opponent who can pop up where you aren't. Successes in counterinsurgency have illustrated the need for holding ground, not just striking here and there and playing defense for convoys.
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posted on
11/12/2006 9:41:23 AM PST
by
Gondring
(I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
To: Valin
"He will be missed, but I've a sneaking suspection that we've not heard the last of Rummy."
Let's hope his input from the sidelines is weighted heavily
btw - G. Will is an ass
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posted on
11/12/2006 9:46:32 AM PST
by
nuconvert
([there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business] (...but his head is so tiny...))
To: mulligan
From Rummy to Dummy. I like.
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posted on
11/12/2006 9:51:50 AM PST
by
Jo Nuvark
(Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
To: GBA
It depends on who writes the history. Remember who is in charge of "education" in this country. Remember which writers are "Politically Correct" enough to have their text books read in class rooms all over the nation.
"America ... Where are you now?"
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posted on
11/12/2006 9:56:54 AM PST
by
ImpBill
("America ... Where are you now?")
To: rhema
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posted on
11/12/2006 10:00:52 AM PST
by
traviskicks
(http://www.neoperspectives.com/optimism_nov8th.htm)
To: Cheburashka
The de-baathification and de-nazification are not comparable.
Iraq is a hodgepodge of cultures and peoples, some with long standing (millenium) hatred one against the other.
The shia in charge of the police in the north is as bad as the sunni in charge in the south.
It would have been better to constitute a Shia security force for their area and Sunni for their area. Since Baghdad in mixed, it would have been best to use the Euphrates as a DMZ and move entire communities from one side to the other and eliminate the slums while they were at it.
IOW and imo, there were better options than what Bremer chose. We shall soon see if Saddam and his henchman are executed, who from the Sunni tribes comes forward as the leader. I am thinking it might be a red-headed guy.
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posted on
11/12/2006 10:05:57 AM PST
by
Prost1
(Fair and Unbiased as always!)
To: rhema
Editor's note: Mr. Feith is currently polishing his resume and is expected to leave before Mr. Rumsfeld leaves.
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posted on
11/12/2006 10:18:13 AM PST
by
ArtyFO
(I love to smoke cigars when I adjust artillery fire at the moonbat loonery.)
To: GBA
History will remember him well, long after we've forgotten his poll driven critics. He seems to be a lot like Churchill in that he did what needed to be done and then was discarded when the politics of the moment changed.Well put. I can't imagine what WWII would have been like in today's media climate. There were so many SNAFUs and bad decisions in WWII, but people never heard about them. All people know today is that we ended up winning.
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posted on
11/12/2006 10:23:43 AM PST
by
dfwgator
To: rhema
There are other views of what Rumsfeld accomplished. He destroyed the Army. He transformed the Army to a concoction of boutique brigades without adequate artillery support, suited to fight small actions only and little prepared to face the huge Chinese Army and another North Korean Army. We are left with only a nuclear option to fight wars on the horizon.
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posted on
11/12/2006 10:25:33 AM PST
by
ArtyFO
(I love to smoke cigars when I adjust artillery fire at the moonbat loonery.)
To: rhema
Excellent article, rhema. BTTT!
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posted on
11/12/2006 10:27:48 AM PST
by
Chena
(Our troops could teach you alot about determination, courage, and honor if you'd listen.)
To: ArtyFO
There are always "other" views. Generally, they're formed by a specific agenda that isn't being fulfilled.
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posted on
11/12/2006 10:38:17 AM PST
by
jess35
To: A_perfect_lady; doodlelady; onyx
Very well written. Nice summary. And this is the view I always had of Rummy.
Ditto bump. A great read. I certainly hope this isn't the last we see of him... America needs Rummy and more just like him.
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posted on
11/12/2006 11:05:55 AM PST
by
Tamzee
(Thomas Jefferson - "Every difference of opinion is not a difference of principle.")
To: rhema
We're going to deeply miss this guy.
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posted on
11/12/2006 11:08:35 AM PST
by
SuzyQue
(Remember to think.)
To: rhema
To: Pukin Dog; george76; Just A Nobody
Rummy's only crime was to be the smartest guy in the room. Exactly. The DemocRats are so threatened by the competence of the Bush appointees, that their mission is to destroy them any way they can.
Sadly, I'm afraid Mr. Bolton is next on the hit list.
God Bless Donald Rumsfeld. He deserved better, and I am thankful he served this Country and it served it well!
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posted on
11/12/2006 11:29:32 AM PST
by
jan in Colorado
(The ENEMEDIA...aiding and abetting the terrorists!)
To: jan in Colorado
With the DUmmies running things, Rumsfeld likely knew that he would dragged thru non stop hearings.
Rumsfeld could handle the hearings, but he wanted the DOD to focus on the wot instead.
Yup :
"their mission is to destroy them any way they can.
Sadly, I'm afraid Mr. Bolton is next on the hit list."
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posted on
11/12/2006 11:44:02 AM PST
by
george76
(Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
To: george76
Rumsfeld could handle the hearings, but he wanted the DOD to focus on the wot instead. Rumsfeld is such a good and decent man. No wonder the democRats hate him so much.
Isn't it amazing the hatred they show towards Bush, Rumsfeld,(fill in the blank), yet I have not seen ANY of this anger or outrage at the terrorists!?!
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posted on
11/12/2006 11:53:56 AM PST
by
jan in Colorado
(The ENEMEDIA...aiding and abetting the terrorists!)
To: jan in Colorado
The DUmmies want the terrorists to win.
Really !
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posted on
11/12/2006 11:55:45 AM PST
by
george76
(Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
To: James Ewell Brown Stuart
How do you know that he failed to recognize a change in conditions that required a change of response. Is it just guess work on your part. How do you know he failed to get beyond it. It's true that he might have recognized it and just been incompetent in making the appropriate adjustments, but that would be out of character--and contradicted by this article. Likewise, perhaps he identified the necessary changes and was ordered by the President not to implement thenm. I also doubt that. So it's based on more than "guesswork"...it's from analysis.
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posted on
11/12/2006 11:59:15 AM PST
by
Gondring
(I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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