Posted on 11/12/2006 8:26:41 AM PST by jmc1969
As the White House begins to rethink its policy on Iraq, savage new warlords are battling for power and the country is starting to splinter
As the self-appointed defender of his Shia kith and kin, his nom de guerre is "The Shield". But to his Sunni foes – and many of his own people – only one name does justice to the savagery with which Abu Deraa wages Iraq's sectarian war. He is, they say, the "Shia Zarqawi".
Less than six months after an American airstrike ended Abu Musab al Zarqawi's campaign of Sunni terror, an equally brutal fanatic has emerged on the other side of the religious divide. Abu Deraa's trademark method of killing is a drill through the skull rather than a sword to the neck, but his work rate is just as prolific as the former al-Qaeda leader's and shows the same diabolical artistry.
In the past year, he and his followers are thought to have murdered thousands of Sunnis, their victims' bodies symbolically dumped in road craters left by al-Qaeda car bombs.
"We are proud of leaders like Abu Deraa," said Hassan Allami, 25, a fighter with the Shia cleric Moqtada al Sadr's Mehdi army, which Abu Deraa quit earlier this year to form his own faction. "His drills destroy the crazy minds of the Sunnis."
"The whole thing is becoming increasingly localised, with people like Sadr being outflanked by extremists whom he can't control," said Dr Eric Herring, the British author of Iraq in Fragments, a study released last year which charts Iraq's break-up into innumerable competing factions. "It's possible that we may eventually remember Sadr as a moderate."
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Yes, killing each other is what they do best. The more 15-45 year old males who kill each other and are killed, the better for the world. Let the Muzzies eliminate the Muzzies, we truly have a great solution.
The Muzzies have been splintered since about 700 AD. Has to do with who should be Mo's successor. They have always not gotten along. This is nothing new. They will never be a united front and we can be thankful for that.
Keeps 'em busy. They end up dead. Who could ask for more.
(Nice, huh? Just back from mass.)
Love your tagline. I hope you're well.
You can't blame the Shias for taking matters into their own hands. The Sunnis are blowing dozens of them up every day and kidnapping and beheading a dozen more every day.
Until the Sunnis and al-qaeda quit, the Shias has the right to protect themselves if the Iraqi army and police and the US army cannot protect them.
Since there is no way to stop a suicide bomber when you have no idea who that person is, protecting themselves means grabbing up a Sunni for every Shia killed (and drilling a hole in their head I guess.)
I wish it would all stop but it has been three steady years already of this same crap every day. I don't blame the Shias for fighting back just as dirty.
Iraq probably needs the same medicine as the United States did in the 1860s: a vicious and bloody Civil War. Truth be told the Civil War (or War Between the States) made the United States one nation, rather than the two 'nations' it was before it. It settled political differences that only war can do. It also woke the nation up to what the future would be like if it didn't become one. The same I am afraid is needed in Iraq. The Iraqis need to get something out of their system. The US and MN forces need to redeploy to Iraq's borders to guard against Syrian, Saudi and Iranian mischief and essentially call, "Jump ball!" Let the Iraqis have a taste of what civil war, real civil war, is like. They them fight it out. Stay neutral by taking no sides. Sit back and shrug our shoulders at the carnage. Attack anyone and anything that attacks the US and MNF forces but don't lift a finger to stop the violence. Maybe only then will the tribal leaders come to realize that working together in peace is the only way that Iraq will have a future.
>>I am beginning to think they aren't worth saving. The are backward savages. Let's nuke em all.<<
There is some truth to that, but not enough to actually "nuke 'em all" of course. At least not yet.
Fact is, if an american family were to adopt any of them as infants, they would be indistinguishable from any other kid in this country, aside from the normal racial external appearances. It is the Muslim idiology that makes them what they are - and they are it's victims. Unfortunately, they can be viewed as carriers of a deadly, and highly infectious disease - in this case, Islam.
I think quarantine is in order, But it is already too late for Europe.
"You can't blame the Shias for taking matters into their own hands. The Sunnis are blowing dozens of them up every day and kidnapping and beheading a dozen more every day."
You can't blame all Sunnis for Qaeda, the organization has all of two percent support amoung the Sunnis. In fact the pro-Iranian Shia are doing exactly as Zarqawi hoped they would. Why do you think he bombed the Golden mosque and has been attacking Shia since day one? He knew that al-Qaeda is extremely unpopular amoung the Sunnis, but that they won't go to war against al-Qaeda while they are being butchered by the Shia.
A small number of people with help from foreign powers can screw up life for everyone.
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"Let the Iraqis kill themselves, it seems that is what they do best."
Aren't you forgetting the pictures we've seen here on the FreeRublic of the GIs and the Iraqi kids and their parents, PEOPLE WHO TRUST AMERICANS? There are few enough people in the world who are our friends - should we abandon them to the grim reaper?
"There are plenty of good people in Iraq, just as there are soem in Palestine as well- But the fact is we see only the 'sensational' aspects"
That's right! That's the nature of "news". What's "new"? Eveything good and productive is normal, so what's left is the abnormal, the sick, the destructive.
I don't know what to do about it.
That has absolutely nothing to do with this situation. Whether Ghengis Khan conservatives or Karl Marx liberals are in charge of the U.S., the Arabs and Kurds will do whatever the hell it is they want to do. No amount of U.S. patrolling will stop the Muslim insanity or the factional splintering.
Should we pull out of Iraq sooner rather than later, I can say with a completely clear conscience that the U.S has not failed the Iraqi people. The Iraqi people have failed us and not lived up to our sacrifices. The country will split, there will be at least low-level civil war in the southern portion of the country, and Kurdistan will remain the only region remotely friendly to the U.S.
Democracy and the associated civic and personal responsibilities associated with it are incompatable with Islam, period.
Wrong.. Divide and conquer.. first the Democrats and all the other socialists in America.. House cleaning begins at home..
Divide them pit them against each other..
"I'm a Unite'er not a Divide'er" unites good with the poisonous... a toxic concept..
Well yes, this is the history I've learned as well. It just seems like a pretty bloody conflict for a 1400 year old succession debate. Any underlying theological issues as well?
Oh, I know their differences. But Iraqi Shiites and Sunnis actually get along for the most part. It's the power grabbers who are trying to stir up dissent snd plunge Iraq into civil war. (Well, them and the media.) It's not unusual for them to intermarry, enter into busines partnerships and generally socialize together. It may be Iraq's secular past that has created this, but they Shia and the Sunni in Iraq really don't give the appearance of hating each other. They get along better than our own Republicans and Democrats these days. ;-)
It's OK about just leaving Mass...I used to leave Saturday evening Mass the day before I had noon football game kickoffs (and tailgate parties) to attend in Houston and think to myself as I left the parking lot, "Let's see...I need to stop and get beer, cigarettes and a Lotto ticket..." LOL
You are correct not taking out Al Sadr was a huge error that will haunt us. Bush has tried to do the right thing he blew it, may have lost the war with that 1 decision.
Most Iraqis are that way. The media has succeeded in distorting the truth to the American people.
Personally, I think these "cut-and-runners" here on FR would do themselves a service by turning off all that "Survivor" and "American Idol" crap and pay more attention to what is really happening, instead of just believing all the tripe the media feeds them.
Am I the only one who sees Muslim tribal war as a potentially good thing
"Iraqi's have not rejected us. They want us there.
You've been listening to the rats and the traitorous msm and their childish gloom simply so they could regain power."
As this last election demonstrated, the hard-left MSM is still more powerful than the New Media. The hard-left MSM and rats are winning the fight to lose in Iraq, it serves their interests in many ways.
Bush has failed to effectively counter their relentless attacks and fellow Republicans have mostly not stepped up.
Unless we choose a more radical manner to deal with the islamists, we will be fighting them forever. Islam is incompatible with modern civilization, and they are not going away.
I agree with the attempt to make a better life in the middle east however, the MSM and the rats will insure we will not have popular support to finish the job. That is why now I say retreat fully from Iraq and let it burn. Then deal with Iran and North Korea.
Nation building is impossible at this point, it is time for the Warface on Iran b4 our cities become at risk.
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