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To: Hank All-American
the more insidious trend this reflects: the pushing off of governmental responsibilities onto private citizens.

Just for discussion, do you hold the same opinion about the proposal to fine employers of illegal aliens?
15 posted on 11/14/2006 8:24:01 AM PST by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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To: Xenalyte

Yes. Not because hiring illegal aliens is great, but because it is simply a way the government pretends to be doing something when really they are just passing the buck. And it's not a proposal. It's been the law for twenty years. If we had come out and strongly opposed employer-fines in the eighties on the grounds that illegal immigration needs to be stopped at the border by the government, maybe we'd have a fence by now. It's one of those bromides politicans and bureacrats love, because it not only increases governmental authority, it removes or dilutes governmental responsibility.

And this is not "privatizing enforcement." Don't fall into that trap. See how far an employer or landowner gets in trying to actually enforce immigration laws. And see how fast they get thrown in jail if they take some illegal and drive him down to the border to push him back. This is simply burdening citizens with the problem under the pretense of "cracking down," but not giving them any real authority to deal with it. To show how absurd this is, who should be considered more responsible? The government who refuses to seal off the border? Or the employer who gives some guy a low-paying job? The apartment owner who leases out a vacant unit? Or the government that requires public schools provide taxpayer funded eductions to illegal alien children?

The government should be deporting illegal aliens. Instead, for political reasons, it would rather criminalize employers and property owners.


17 posted on 11/14/2006 8:34:01 AM PST by Hank All-American (Free Men, Free Minds, Free Markets baby!)
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To: Xenalyte

Yes. Not because hiring illegal aliens is great, but because it is simply a way the government pretends to be doing something when really they are just passing the buck. And it's not a proposal. It's been the law for twenty years. If we had come out and strongly opposed employer-fines in the eighties on the grounds that illegal immigration needs to be stopped at the border by the government, maybe we'd have a fence by now. It's one of those bromides politicans and bureacrats love, because it not only increases governmental authority, it removes or dilutes governmental responsibility.

And this is not "privatizing enforcement." Don't fall into that trap. See how far an employer or landowner gets in trying to actually enforce immigration laws. And see how fast they get thrown in jail if they take some illegal and drive him down to the border to push him back. This is simply burdening citizens with the problem under the pretense of "cracking down," but not giving them any real authority to deal with it. To show how absurd this is, who should be considered more responsible? The government who refuses to seal off the border? Or the employer who gives some guy a low-paying job? The apartment owner who leases out a vacant unit? Or the government that requires public schools provide taxpayer funded eductions to illegal alien children?

The government should be deporting illegal aliens. Instead, for political reasons, it would rather criminalize employers and property owners.


18 posted on 11/14/2006 8:34:21 AM PST by Hank All-American (Free Men, Free Minds, Free Markets baby!)
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To: Xenalyte

Yes. Not because hiring illegal aliens is great, but because it is simply a way the government pretends to be doing something when really they are just passing the buck. And it's not a proposal. It's been the law for twenty years. If we had come out and strongly opposed employer-fines in the eighties on the grounds that illegal immigration needs to be stopped at the border by the government, maybe we'd have a fence by now. It's one of those bromides politicans and bureacrats love, because it not only increases governmental authority, it removes or dilutes governmental responsibility.

And this is not "privatizing enforcement." Don't fall into that trap. See how far an employer or landowner gets in trying to actually enforce immigration laws. And see how fast they get thrown in jail if they take some illegal and drive him down to the border to push him back. This is simply burdening citizens with the problem under the pretense of "cracking down," but not giving them any real authority to deal with it. To show how absurd this is, who should be considered more responsible? The government who refuses to seal off the border? Or the employer who gives some guy a low-paying job? The apartment owner who leases out a vacant unit? Or the government that requires public schools provide taxpayer funded eductions to illegal alien children?

The government should be deporting illegal aliens. Instead, for political reasons, it would rather criminalize employers and property owners.


19 posted on 11/14/2006 8:34:25 AM PST by Hank All-American (Free Men, Free Minds, Free Markets baby!)
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