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It's very telling that no one has responded to your post that clearly shows Warren's actions in Syria have been misrepresented in the press. Because Warren's critics don't care. It's not enough that they disagree with his theology, they have to turn him into the devil incarnate. It is a sad and shameful thing. They sound EXACTLY like Democrats who cannot be content with criticizing Bush, they are driven to charge him with war crimes.

I would be willing to wager than less than one or two of the critics here have ever been to Saddleback Church, or have any first hand knowledge of a typical service there. Of course they don't need to, since facts don't really matter.

You are using the liberal argument that one has to personally experience something to criticize it. I haven't been to Mongolia, but I know I don't want to live there. Whether anybody has been to his church or not is irrelevant. Barak Obama is coming there. That's what started the thread.

This Warren fellow sounds like a "wolf in sheep's clothing." AIDS, Barak Obama, and UN style philanthropy? Sounds like another Reverend...Jesse Jackson.

I thought the book was a bunch of gobbledygook. But then, I rarely buy into Christian fads, whether they be "The Passion," all those "Left Behind" books, Promise Keepers, or anything else sold to us by religion hucksters.

Some of the biggest whiners about Warren's success are from those silly pastors thinking that if they duplicated what Rick did that that would bring them success too! And then when things don't go right as a result of their lousy teaching (thus, the reason they were looking for help in the first place) they blame it on everyone else but themselves.

The next group of whiners are the elders/deacons/leader groups of dying churches who have no idea that they are probably the root of their own problems looking for a quick fix to pay their monthly bills - you know, the ones that watch what everyone else is doing then force it on their pastors to implement.

The next biggest group are those who covet what Warren and his staff have done at Saddleback but are too "righteous" to call it envy and chalk up Rick's success to "leaning to the left" and huff their noses in the air. All the while their churches are arguing about what color the choir robes ought to be or if the church should pay for the Pastor's family to be on the medical plans or not - you know, real serious stuff. Meanwhile, the churches are dying because they are so inwardly focused and they've lost their true calling -bringing Jesus to the neighborhoods.

Do I sound a little harsh? Sorry. But my heart aches looking around at what real problems our churches have and how many are dying and closing their doors - and yet we are so critical and divisive about another brother's success. Yeah, I'm bitter ..... and I think Jesus would be too.

If Warren's actions, and words, were so misrepresented (btw, Warren has publicly acknowledged that the State Dept. warned him that Syria would use his visit for PR...So why did he go in the first place? Did he want to be used?), why did the youtube video of Warren's postive comments about Syria get pulled?

The video was there and now it is gone...Why?