Bobos say no-no (National Review urbanite frets about religious conservatives bringing us down)

National Review Online ^ | Nov 16 2006 | Jonathan Martin

[Mamzelle]

Martin wants to point out that if it weren't for the icky evangelicals, we'd still have Allen as Senator in Va.

[Mamzelle]

But Martin doesn't point out that 90% of N VA Muslims voted for Webb, to the tune of 50K votes. That doesn't worry the "creative class" of sophisticated independents (or Martin, I guess) as much as those religious Christians.

[Elpasser]

If it weren't for the evangelicals, we'd be living in a Socialist Sweden.

[Mamzelle]

There are many forces at work to cut the evangelicals loose from the GOP--not the least of which are "intellectual" snobs at National Review whose sheltered little world begins and stops with Central Park and all those cool Manhattan restaurants.

Then there's the Jack Warren (Purpose Driven Life) phenomena. The religious who get cold-shouldered by the Republicans who are embarrassed to be seen with them will have somewhere to go.

[concerned about politics]

Martin wants to point out that if it weren't for the icky evangelicals Muslim voters voting for Webb(D), we'd still have Allen as Senator in Va.

[LWalk18]

But Martin doesn't point out that 90% of N VA Muslims voted for Webb, to the tune of 50K votes.

Muslim are among those Allen was exactly counting on voting for him in the first place. How many Muslims voted for Allen in 2000? That's like saying Allen lost because he only got 10% of the black vote. If he won in 2000 with 10% he should have won in 2006. He must have lost part of his base or independents in order for him to lose.

[TitansAFC]

1.) Without us, the Dems would have all three Houses and permanent supermajorities.

2.) The social Libertarian/secular Republican group is waaaaaaay smaller than he wants to admit, as most of those people waffle during elections and prefer to be called Moderates and Independents. About 90% of those that actually exist write for these type of publications.

3.) Without us, 5% of this country would be in support of the Iraq war (reconstruction, that is) right now.

4.) Martin types don't work phone banks, organize 503-C groups, walk precincts in the last 72-hours, raise massive small donations, or volunteer time after work to help individual campaigns.

Come to think of it, Martin is more worthless to the actual GOP than anyone I can think of right now.

[NeoCaveman]

Hey back in 2000 and before Muslims tipped Republican which helped in Virginia and even kept Michigan in play. Since 9/11 they've gone Dem and now Michigan and New Jersey look impossible and Virginia looks bluer everyday.

[Mamzelle]

Martin's essay contends that the suburbanite voter doesn't like to vote with the religious conservative. The suburbanite "creative class" (what a profoundly self-adoring term is that, BTW! What fatuity!) minds having to rub elbows with conservative Christians.

And, you know, I'll bet Martin minds it too. He sounds so pained and wincing--Coulter really got it right about NR girlie boys.

So the "creative class" minds not at all voting with the Muslims in VA--10% or whatevah.

[concerned about politics]

1.) Without us, the Dems would have all three Houses and permanent supermajorities.

Salt is a preservative, but if the nation loses it's saltiness, what good is it? The religious right in this country is a restrainer. Without it, excessive liberalism would have free reign.

[The Blitherer]

Martin wants to point out that if it weren't for the icky evangelicals, we'd still have Allen as Senator in Va.

Well fine! I'm taking my vote and going home.

;-)

[concerned about politics]

There's extreme liberalism on the far left. There's evangelicals on the right. With two opposing forces, our nation has balance. Sometimes Satan wins, sometimes God.

If one side were given a clear path for too long, the nation would either become a Stalinist state or a theocracy. With both, the nation still has the freedom to choose. It can "lean" one way or the other, but the nation has restraint.
The religious right is more necessary and has a lot more value than many republicans think.

[The Old Hoosier]

They key, Davis says, is “to know how to talk to” what he called this “creative class.” To this end, it was Allen’s good-ole-boy persona that turned off many, Davis argues, not necessarily the senator’s party brand or conservative stands on issues. Davis, himself a moderate, pointed out that his wife, a Fairfax state senator, and neighboring Rep. Frank Wolf (R.), both pro-life, get elected thanks to thousands of moderate suburbanite votes.

I don't know whether we're reading the same article.

[brooklyn dave]

I thought there was more of a variance of opinion among Evangelicals regarding the war in Iraq. Yes, I would say that this group is among the more patriotic of Americans, but even they can recognize a stupid decision when they see one. The dilemma is this for me; Should we have gone into Iraq in the first place?--- NO. But the president made the decision to go in, we are there, the place is a mess, do we just cut and run?----NO. The Democrats obviously don't have a good enough answer for me. It is difficult for the American psyche to accept losing in war and sometimes we can be bullheaded. I really feel that if we cut and run at this point, the situation will be worse for America than it would ever would have been if we never went into Iraq in the first place. The main problem is that we didn't go in their to kick a$$--we went in there as social workers. So you not only have left over Baathists & jihadis with guns. You have local Sunni and Shiite militias, plain old thugs, and US trained Iraqi security forces with guns all trying to get a piece of the action and seeking vengeance----chaos par excellance. The only chance of salvaging the situation is to do some a$$ kicking--starting with the Mahdi Army. Sadr is an Iranian puppet. If we string his behind up on a lamp post it will send a message to Iran that we're not joking. I know this is wishful thinking at this point in time--Bush ain't gonna go there. So what do you think? Pull out gradually and give the appearance that we've accomplished something more than just removing Saddam Hussein from power? Also---allow every Chaldean Christian to come to the US, because we all know they will eventually be massacred (another thing the Bushies don't give a hoot about).

[concerned about politics]

NO. But the president made the decision to go in,

BOTH parties made the decision to go in based on the same evidence. This is Americas war - not Bush's war as the left would have you believe.

[Mamzelle]

Bump your post. I had many misgivings about Iraq as well, but I kept my mouth shut out of hope, faith, and loyalty.

I'm noticing that that loyalty is not reciprocated--Bush has an insane obsession with handing America over to Mexico and seemed quite content Wednesday to throw the conservatives overboard.

Bush risked the WOT so he could canoodle with Vicente. If we can't protect our own borders, if he had no regard for American sovereignty, we can't turn this mess in the sand into a democracy.

[FreedomNeocon]

Yeah I'm sure the old predictable wet-napkins will be on FOX this weekend. Bill Kristol with that stupid (I just farted) grin on his face, still glowing from Rummy getting the boot, and the other blue-blood republicans up there.

[colorado tanker]

What a math-impaired idiot.

I suppose he wants to go back to the days of permanent minority when the country-clubbers were the pubbie base?

[brooklyn dave]

The evidence was quite faulty. I agree that it is America's war, not just Bush's. But Bush is the Commander in Chief. The thing about the left is that they would be against Bush no matter what he did or didn't do. I am against him for what he did. (but at least we got two good SCOTUS appointments out of it).

[Blake#1]

You are ill-informed. NAFTA (Clinton and Bush) is the future. Even Ross Perot has learned this fact and is building his new factory in Guadalajara, Mexico. He will hire 170 engineers along with the hundreds of staff. Homes will be built for them as in "housing tracks". Americans will move there and commute back and forth. Perot's project will be copied by many others. The time will come when the enviromentalists will destroy even Mexico. However, Capitalist will move on to other opportunities.

[Mamzelle]

re: Perot has learned this fact and is building his new factory in Guadalajara)))

A stupid move. What he saves in salaries will be spent to maintain a small private army to protect his personnel from the corrupt Mexican mafia. Holding executives for ransom is a growing business.