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The End of the United Kingdom?
Washington Post ^ | November 21, 2006 | David Goodhart

Posted on 11/21/2006 6:51:18 PM PST by West Coast Conservative

One of the world's most successful multinational states, and a key ally of the United States, could in a few months time start to unravel: I mean, of course, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

The process will be set in motion if the pro-independence Scottish National Party (SNP) ends up the largest party in the Scottish parliament after elections next May. This is a distinct possibility. The break up of the UK will not be inevitable even if the SNP do dominate the parliament, but it will certainly make the political classes of Britain -- and perhaps of the U.S. and the main EU states too -- think hard about the point and value of the union to them. (Ironically, the elections will come just a matter of days after the 300th anniversary of the creation of modern Britain when the Scottish and English parliaments were merged in 1707.)

Most people in England who think about these things assumed that the "Scottish question" had been dealt with when, as one of the first acts of the Blair government elected in 1997, it announced the creation of a devolved Scottish parliament with wide ranging powers over domestic matters. But disillusionment with the performance of that parliament (and the UK parliament in London), the long-standing belief that the English "stole" Scotland's oil and gas, and the postmodern temptations of identity politics, have put independence back on the agenda (a recent opinion poll found 51 percent of Scots favoring it).

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: britain; scotland; uk
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1 posted on 11/21/2006 6:51:20 PM PST by West Coast Conservative
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To: West Coast Conservative

once londinistan has its flag, the transition will be full and formally complete. informally? the transition IS done. Philosophically? its alreay completed.

Cuzz Charles said so!


2 posted on 11/21/2006 7:08:25 PM PST by himno hero
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To: West Coast Conservative

"There will always be an England..." NOT!


3 posted on 11/21/2006 7:09:30 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: MadIvan
Your commentary needed here.
4 posted on 11/21/2006 7:11:46 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: okie01

Will a lone gunman do a mountbatten on a royal and will the gunman be islamic?


5 posted on 11/21/2006 7:14:12 PM PST by x_plus_one (Franklin Graham: "Allah is not the God of Moses. Allah had no son")
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To: West Coast Conservative

The parliament in London will not give up North Sea oil revenues too quickly to the Scots. The Scots can not survive economically without this revenue. This battle has been going on for over 400 years.


6 posted on 11/21/2006 7:14:36 PM PST by Englishman (Thank you America)
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To: West Coast Conservative
How exactly would a new Scottish government pay for itself? Lay claim to the North Sea oil? Raise taxes? Slash social services?

Or would it hold the prospect of an independence vote out to London demanding "pay up or else"? The threat might be more effective than the action if that's the case. I honestly don't know. British FReepers, comments?

7 posted on 11/21/2006 7:24:27 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: West Coast Conservative
On a more practical note, the Ireland model -- with its dynamic economy, and national self-confidence -- is increasingly popular in SNP circles. Yet Ireland looks far more like America than the social-democratic Scandinavian states that the left-wing Scots Nationalists admire.
To emulate the Irish model, the Scots would probably need to cut public spending by one-third, not a good start to life as an independent nation.

Typical commentary from the Post, it would be bad to cut taxes and spending.

8 posted on 11/21/2006 7:24:45 PM PST by Pontiac (All are worthy of freedom, none are incapable.)
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To: Englishman

Oops - I missed yours, and thank you.


9 posted on 11/21/2006 7:25:29 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Brilliant
"There will always be an England..." NOT!

This is not about the end of England, but of the UK, which might see the Scots leave, although I don't think so. I see another Quebec in the making, with the Scots demanding Independence, right up to the point where it looks like they might actually get it.

And the Scots better be careful at that. I was in England four years ago, during the World Cup. English flags -- the St. George's Cross, a red + on a white field -- were every where. The TV, sorry, telly, was also running clips of the 1966 World Cup, that being the last time England won. In all of the old clips the flag being waived was the Union Jack -- the combined flags of England, Scotland and Ireland.

The English stopped fearing being ruled by the Scots 200 years ago, and stopped wanting to rule them (or anyone else for that matter) 50 years ago. All that leaves is a marriage of convenience, and if the Scots want a divorce I don't see the English doing a great deal to talk them out of it.

10 posted on 11/21/2006 7:31:00 PM PST by Pilsner
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To: Pilsner

We might well get Cornwall back too ~ hasn't been the same since King San Cho Noe I invaded Spain and initiated the Reconquista more than a thousand years ago ~ but anything can happen.


11 posted on 11/21/2006 7:43:00 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
We might well get Cornwall back too...

Yep. Where do you stop? Will Norway want the Orkneys and Western Isles back? Will Denmark want the Eastern seaboard of Scotland back? Will the lowland Scots recall that the Scoti were invaders from Ireland who came after the Romans left, and tell the Highlanders to bugger off back to Ireland (where I suppose they would change places with the Ulster Scots who have lived in Erie for a paltry four centuries). Will the Welsh claim all of England as descendants of the old, pre-Roman, Brittonic kingdoms of the Celts? Will everyone in the British Isles have to que up for compulsory genetic testing to see if they stay or go? And since not even the the Celts were the aboriginal inhabitants of the British Isles, will everyone have to leave?

Sound silly, yes, but that is what you get when you try to reorder the world by declaring things that happened centuries ago "wrongs" and attempting to redress them now.

12 posted on 11/21/2006 8:03:05 PM PST by Pilsner
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To: Pilsner

Perhaps Italy can claim England, since Rome wasn't driven out or beaten on the island.


13 posted on 11/21/2006 8:28:02 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Didn't Longshanks deal with those nasty, brutish, skirt wearing, whiskey swilling Scots a long time ago?


14 posted on 11/21/2006 8:31:54 PM PST by Thumper1960 (Unleash the Dogs of War as a Minority, or perish as a party.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
When regions are part of a larger common market, and increasingly common taxation etc, and there is no need for defense, the centrifugal forces increase. The raison d'etre for larger nation states is lost, and that is what we see here. Scotland would not incur much in the way of real costs in exiting, except to the extent the region is poorer, and loses intra UK subsidies, oil to the contrary notwithstanding. Glasgow is packed with rather unproductive folks who drink too much, and have horrible diets, and I think I read somewhere that the expected life expectancy of males there is below 60.
15 posted on 11/21/2006 9:01:33 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie

And when America closes the umbrella and goes home, who defends europe?


16 posted on 11/21/2006 9:44:59 PM PST by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: ClaireSolt

Europe does not need defending, except sometimes from itself. If it chooses demographic suicide, heck that is a free choice. One is free to choose. It is what enobles the human spirit.


17 posted on 11/21/2006 10:46:57 PM PST by Torie
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To: Thumper1960
Didn't Longshanks deal with those nasty, brutish, skirt wearing, whiskey swilling Scots a long time ago?

The Rebel King of Scotland undid most of Longshanks damage after that Frenchy Longshanks died. Concerning skirts, every tribe wore them in their history. Pants were invented long after skirts. Same with body painting. Every tribe did it. Granted, some gave up the practice earlier then others just as some started wearing pants earlier then others.

18 posted on 11/21/2006 10:51:20 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: okie01
I don't feel the need to comment on stupidity from the Washington Post.

Regards, Ivan

19 posted on 11/21/2006 11:10:05 PM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

At least England votes over-whelmingly Conservative every election.


20 posted on 11/22/2006 8:47:39 AM PST by The_Englishman
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