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Powell says world should recognise Iraq at civil war
Reuters ^ | 29 Nov 2006 | Reuters

Posted on 11/29/2006 9:41:31 AM PST by Mo1

DUBAI, Nov 29 (Reuters) - Former U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell said on Wednesday Iraq had descended into civil war and urged world leaders to accept that "reality".

Powell's remarks came ahead of a meeting between Bush and Iraqi prime minister Nuri al-Maliki in the Jordanian capital to discuss the security developments in Iraq.

"I would call it a civil war," Powell told a business forum in the United Arab Emirates. "I have been using it (civil war) because I like to face the reality," added Powell.

He said world leaders should acknowledge Iraq was in civil war.

Powell outlined the case against Iraq at the U.N. Security Council ahead of the war, which was based broadly on intelligence that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

President George W. Bush denied on Tuesday that sectarian violence had reached the scale of civil war. He said the latest wave of violence was part of a nine-month-old pattern of attacks by al Qaeda militants aimed at fomenting sectarian tension.

Bush and Maliki are scheduled to hold crisis talks on Wednesday and Thursday.

Bush is under growing pressure to find a new policy to curb sectarian strife in Iraq and to secure an exit for 140,000 U.S. troops.

Powell, speaking at a world leaders forum in Dubai, said Washington should adopt a more balanced policy towards Iraq's political parties and sects to avoid marginalising Sunni Muslims.

"We have to accept what all Iraqis accept, not to end up seeing a Shi'ite-dominated regime," he said.

However, Powell said troops had to continue their job in Iraq until their mission is done, but not to remain too long.

"The coming strategy has to be an Iraqi strategy, not American strategy," said Powell.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: backstabber; colinpowell; iraq; powell
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To: Mo1

Et tu Colin?


21 posted on 11/29/2006 10:48:28 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

oui bon appatite


22 posted on 11/29/2006 10:55:52 AM PST by CottShop
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To: Mo1

Hmmm...I'll be sure to let Colin Powell know when I give a damn what he thinks.


23 posted on 11/29/2006 11:06:21 AM PST by ilovew (I'm thankful to PFC Mike Adams who died in Iraq three years ago...I'll never forget you, Mike.)
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To: Mo1
Powell insisted ground operations in Operation Desert Storm be cut short at 100 hours. This enabled a stronger Saddam during the interwar years.

Many agree the Coalition Provisional Authority was a mistake and a failure. The CPA was State's (read: Powell's) idea, not DoD's idea. Paul Bremer, the CPA's incompetent leader, was one of Powell's lackeys.

Powell has responsibility to bear for the fiasco in Iraq. But I doubt the MSM will challenge him on it.

24 posted on 11/29/2006 11:09:28 AM PST by magellan
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To: woofie
Im not sure but I think we need to accept that Democracy is also a failure

Yep. That's why I like a republic, like we've got.

25 posted on 11/29/2006 11:18:50 AM PST by polymuser (There is one war and one enemy.)
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To: Mo1

and Mr. Powell, what is gained if the whole freaking world says Iraq is killing each other and in civil war????


I just raise my hands in disbelief anymore!!


26 posted on 11/29/2006 11:21:27 AM PST by JFC
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To: JFC
and Mr. Powell, what is gained if the whole freaking world says Iraq is killing each other and in civil war????

Nothing, because he's just stating the obvious - the moment one Iraqi Shiite killed or was killed by an Iraqi Sunni, we had a civil war (one could easily argue that civil war in Iraq has went on for decades and possibly since Iraq's inception - it just so happened that over the past thirty years or so, Saddam managed to knock one side out and keep them down for a long time).

This civil war really isn't about Iraq though - it has been waged for a 1000+ years across two and possibly three continents (depending on your viewpoint), long before Iraq was a nation.

Therein lies the dirty little secret that the MSM won't bring up - they have no problem stating the obvious about it being a civil war, but they won't talk about the fact that one part of Islam has been at war with another part of Islam going back to practically the founding/creation of Islam. Sure, the war dies down for decades, even centuries at a time, but it's always just beneath the surface, and they don't forget it.

Be careful though, for if you talk about this, such as the current Pope did, you will be roundly criticized by the very same MSM.
27 posted on 11/29/2006 11:46:02 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

It's a fight between a very SMALL number of people, who have no real backing from any of the vast majority of people, who really wish all those fighting would simply go away and let them live their lives.

It's not a civil war, it's a gang war. Civil war is when large groups of people decide to raise armies and fight it out for control of their country.

This is no more a civil war than we had a civil war in Chicago in the 20s.


28 posted on 11/29/2006 12:05:16 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Mo1
The way the definition of "civil war" is being applied to Iraq every country in the world that has rival gangs that kill people are in a civil war. Last year Brazil lost 150 lives per day to murder from gangs and tribes but I have yet to hear that they are in a "civil war". If anything Brazil's situation is more consistent with the definitions because it's only influenced by internal rival gangs whereas Iraq is more in line with gangs of outside influence.
29 posted on 11/29/2006 12:33:50 PM PST by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

The whole countries insurgency is made up of less than 30,000 "fighters" out of a country of 36+ million. It's only a matter of a short time before this "insurgency" tires themselves out.


30 posted on 11/29/2006 12:40:04 PM PST by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: Mo1
Insisting that this isn't a civil war doesn't make it so. Why fight over the term?

Underneath the fight about this term seems to be the idea that if it's a civil war then Bush has failed. To pretend and act as if this civil war is something other than what it is isn't fair to the troops we've sent there to fight. This is a life and death matter and shouldn't be reduced to a political move to defend Bush. Whether you were for or against this war there's no doubt that the Administration has mishandled the prosecution of it.

The Administration resisted the use of the term Insurgency for a long time in spite of evidence there was one. I wouldn't expect them to be proactive in getting bad news out . Wouldn't it have been confidence inspiring to hear the Administration take the lead and say something like "There is now an active Insurgency in Iraq and we are agressively adapting to the new situation on the ground"? Instead they wait until the public drags them kicking and screaming to acknowledge reality.

So what is being defended by the "it isn't a civil war" people? The Administration's feelings? The continuous denial of reality is not achieving increased support for the war or the credability of the Administration. What's the point?
31 posted on 11/29/2006 12:48:25 PM PST by 21stCenturyFreeThinker
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To: FreedomNeocon
Powell is all pissy because the President accepted his resignation. And to make matters worse, he put Condi in his place! Powell refused to allow the President to elevate NSA to a cabinet position because he didn't want Condi equal to him.

Petty, fop!

Didn't have the guts to run for President because his wifey didn't want him to run.

Big man! Attacking the country while in Dubai!

32 posted on 11/29/2006 1:10:40 PM PST by OldFriend (FALLEN HERO JEFFREY TOCZYLOWSKI, REST IN PEACE)
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To: OldFriend

Picking on Powell doesn't change the facts on the ground in Iraq.


33 posted on 11/29/2006 1:23:30 PM PST by 21stCenturyFreeThinker
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To: Mo1

Al Qaeda as i understand it has a strategy of asymetric warfare. Using airplanes as missles into large buildings is one example. Setting a match of violence to inflame sectarian differences into civil war is an even more powerful example. talk about a weapon of mass destruction! it would seem the definition of a civil war would mean that practically everyone on one side considers the other side an enemy. that doesn't seem to be the case yet in iraq. a small percentage of the population is involved still and many of those are acting out of fear and could be brought to the table i would expect if security could be guaranteed. this doesn't mean a full civil war couldn't emerge if things keep going the way they are.


34 posted on 11/29/2006 1:36:33 PM PST by baseball_fan
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To: Mo1
It's called 'Islam'.

35 posted on 11/29/2006 1:38:57 PM PST by evets (Beer)
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To: Mo1
"I would call it a civil war," Powell told a business forum in the United Arab Emirates. "I have been using it (civil war) because I like to face the reality," added Powell.

The only reality Powell likes to face is the one that increases his popularity or better positions him for career advancement.

36 posted on 11/29/2006 2:28:43 PM PST by Dolphy
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To: Mo1
Meet the 2008 DEMOCRATIC Presidential Nominee.
37 posted on 11/29/2006 2:40:37 PM PST by trumandogz (Rudy G 2008: The "G" Stands For Gun Grabbing & Gay Lovin.)
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To: 21stCenturyFreeThinker

If this was a real civil war, there would be two sides of the country, each fighting the other for control of the country. In that type of battle, we would have no part, because we should not be choosing which half of the people should win, any more than we should interfere in peaceful elections.

If on the other hand there is a stable government, but there are roving bands of terrorists, insurgents, and foreign fighters trying to stir up trouble, along with gangs fighting each other in little turf battles, THAT is something we can work with the government of the country to help stop.

So, which is it? If you declare a civil war, we should choose a side -- which side do we choose? most of the violence is NOT directed at the sitting government, it's directed at political foes or religious foes. There is SOME attacks on our troops directly, and some attacks on the police directly, but more attacks are on other civilians, NOT meant to overthrow the government.

Seems like a very weird civil war where the people aren't fighting to seize the government.


38 posted on 11/29/2006 3:54:46 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Mo1

Think CP might run as a Democrat ?


39 posted on 11/29/2006 3:57:14 PM PST by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
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To: magellan

You are so right on this point. I find it most interesting, and not surprising at all, that this is the year that Iraq started falling apart. It was the year that operations were turned over to State. Powell has a bit burden to bear for this, yet he has shown himself to be one who is a finger pointer and a back stabber. His silence on the Plame Game is just one example of his lack of character. He has allowed Libby to take blame and massive legal expenses because his guy was the leaker and he covered that up. Powell and Armitage should be indicted on obstruction and Libby should be freed.

Thank you for your post.


40 posted on 11/29/2006 4:01:30 PM PST by Laverne
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