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Pope leaves Turkey after momentous visit ( wins praise in Turkey for gestures in mosque)
AFP ^ | December 1, 2006 | Gina Doggett

Posted on 12/01/2006 6:24:40 AM PST by NYer

Pope Benedict XVI left Turkey Friday after a momentous visit in which he reached out to Muslims and Orthodox Christians while standing firm on key issues such as papal authority and Europe's Christian roots.

Coming a mere 10 weeks after the leader of the world's 1.1 billion Catholics outraged Muslims by appearing to equate Islam with violence, the four-day trip - Pope Benedict's first to a Muslim country - turned into a fence-mending mission.

Adding drama to diplomacy, the 79-year-old Pope made a stunning conciliatory gesture Thursday when he assumed an attitude of Muslim prayer while facing Mecca in Istanbul's Blue Mosque.

The moment was "even more meaningful than an apology" for the remarks in September, said the mufti of Istanbul, Mustafa Cagrici, who was the Pope's guide during the mosque visit.



The two men, clad in long white robes, stood motionless for about two minutes, their hands crossed on their stomachs in a classic Muslim prayer attitude known as "the posture of tranquility."

"It was something beautiful, a gesture on his part," Cagrici told the Turkish daily Sabah.

In entering the mosque, Pope Benedict became only the second Roman Catholic Pope to do so since the groundbreaking visit of his predecessor John Paul II to the great Ummayad Mosque in Damascus in 2001.

The 79-year-old pontiff said before his departure that he hoped that his visit would contribute to a "better understanding" between religions.

The visit saw unprecedented security measures - even tighter than those laid on for US President George W. Bush in 2004 - with large swathes of Istanbul closed down as the routes taken by the Pope's motorcade were kept secret.

Even before the controversy over his remarks on Islam, Pope Benedict faced an uphill struggle to win over the Turks, having been considered the "anti-Turkish Pope" for opposing Ankara's bid to join the European Union.

Turkey in the EU, he had said while still Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, would be "a grave error ... against the tide of history."

He dealt with this by making a stunning U-turn on the issue moments after descending from his plane on his arrival in Ankara Tuesday, offering his support for the troubled candidacy in remarks to Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

But he added two provisos Thursday, saying that respect for religious freedom must be a criterion for entry into the EU and calling on the bloc to ensure that its members respect the rights of their religious minorities.

It was a clear reference to complaints by the Orthodox Patriarchate of restrictions imposed on it by Turkey, including the closure of a theological seminary and the confiscation of a number of properties from Christian foundations.

Pope Benedict also returned to a familiar position when he called for a renewal of "Europe's awareness of its Christian roots, traditions, and values."

The main purpose of the long-planned trip and a priority of Pope Benedict's papacy - seeking reconciliation between the Western and Eastern rites of Christianity - was symbolized by a Saint Andrew's Day mass Thursday.

Saint Andrew is the Orthodox Church's patron saint who was a disciple of Jesus and the brother of Saint Peter, considered the first Catholic Pope.

After meetings with Bartholomew I, spiritual leader of some 150 million Orthodox faithful, the Pope described as a "scandal to the world" the schism between the feuding Christian branches dating back nearly a millennium.

But he remained steadfast on a major point of disagreement - papal authority - when he stressed the Vatican's "universal" role.


And we all know what he was praying for :-)


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Pope Benedict XVI releases a dove before celebrating a mass at the Holy Spirit Cathedral in Istanbul, December 1, 2006. (Patrick Hertzog/Pool/Reuters)
1 posted on 12/01/2006 6:24:42 AM PST by NYer
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To: Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

Pope Benedict XVI celebrates a Mass inside the Holy Spirit Catholic Cathedral after freeing four doves, symbol of peace, in Istanbul, Turkey, Friday, Dec. 1, 2006. The pope celebrated Mass for members of Turkey's tiny Roman Catholic community a day after a stunning moment of prayer at a mosque repeated his call to end divisions among the world's Christians. (AP Photo/Patrick Hertzog, Pool)

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2 posted on 12/01/2006 6:26:22 AM PST by NYer (Apart from the cross, there is no other ladder by which we may get to Heaven. St. Rose of Lima)
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To: NYer
I'd like to make an appropriate gesture in a mosque.
3 posted on 12/01/2006 6:28:07 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Vigilanteman

Was that appropriate position bottoms up?


5 posted on 12/01/2006 6:31:33 AM PST by x_plus_one (Franklin Graham: "Allah is not the God of Moses. Allah had no son")
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To: NYer

That is a beautiful pic - a definite sign of HOPE!


7 posted on 12/01/2006 6:36:37 AM PST by Gerish (Feed your faith and your doubts will starve to death.)
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To: NYer
Papal Pause Not Exactly a Prayer

ISTANBUL, Turkey, NOV. 30, 2006 (Zenit.org).- Benedict XVI's silent pause during his visit to the Blue Mosque was not prayer in the proper sense of the term, clarified the Vatican spokesman.

Jesuit Father Federico Lombardi, director of the Vatican press office, confirmed, after the Holy Father's historic visit today, that "the Pope paused in a moment of meditation and recollection."

"It was a moment of personal meditation, of relationship with God, which can also be called of personal, profound prayer," Father Lombardi told journalists, "but it was not a prayer with external manifestations characteristic of the Christian faith."

8 posted on 12/01/2006 6:38:09 AM PST by Carolina
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To: NYer

He survived the trip?

Surely this man is blessed.

There must've been hundreds gunning for him.


9 posted on 12/01/2006 6:39:40 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Crusades were indigenous peoples' counter-attacks against imperialist foreign Muslim invaders)
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To: Frumanchu; Alex Murphy; topcat54; OrthodoxPresbyterian; Dr. Eckleburg; Lord_Calvinus; HarleyD; ...
Adding drama to diplomacy, the 79-year-old Pope made a stunning conciliatory gesture Thursday when he assumed an attitude of Muslim prayer while facing Mecca in Istanbul's Blue Mosque.

Must have not been any Korans nearby.

10 posted on 12/01/2006 6:39:45 AM PST by Gamecock (Pelagianism is the natural heresy of zealous Christians who are not interested in theology. J.I.P.)
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To: NYer

I would have only one gesture if I were in a mosque.


11 posted on 12/01/2006 6:46:07 AM PST by manic4organic
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To: Carolina
"...the 79-year-old Pope....assumed an attitude of Muslim prayer while facing Mecca in Istanbul's Blue Mosque."

It is still paying deference to a false god, and that's just plain creepy.

And God spoke all these words, saying:
"I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.
"You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them.
Exodus 20:1-5

12 posted on 12/01/2006 6:57:29 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Psalm 73

We Christians celebrate our liturgy facing East in anticipation of the Lord's return. This is our ancient posture. Facing East is not an exclusive property of Islam.


13 posted on 12/01/2006 7:11:08 AM PST by Carolina
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To: Gamecock
I fail to see why the direction he prays in matters. Mecca would be situated South of Turkey, as would Jerusalem. Who really cares if he made a nice gesture, we all know he was praying for their conversion, and this is a win-win situation, but I guess that doesn't matter to a Calvinist, God has already micromanaged everything for them. It's too bad their way of thought is so insignificant, and that none of their leaders are important enough to make national headlines, let alone international headlines.
14 posted on 12/01/2006 7:18:54 AM PST by Theoden ("Christianus ille Victor")
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To: Carolina
It is the context that he did it in.
Islam is a false religion hatched by Satan - a Christian leader, esp. one of such prominenece, should never demonstrate a reverence for it.
Sure, we are to love Muslims, and to show them the way to true salvation (Jesus, and only Jesus)- but we should never pretend that their god is legitimate in any way.
This just sends the wrong message - Pope Benedict is wise enough to know better.
15 posted on 12/01/2006 7:19:39 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: NYer

I'm sure most of us Freepers would love to go into a mosque and give the muslims a "gesture".


16 posted on 12/01/2006 7:21:30 AM PST by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: Theoden
"It's too bad their way of thought is so insignificant, and that none of their leaders are important enough to make national headlines...."

Do you realize what you just said?
You know, Theoden, a little humility goes a long way - no need to attack "Gamecock" like that.

17 posted on 12/01/2006 7:24:01 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Psalm 73

He was demonstrating courtesy to his hosts, and I fail to see that praying to the True God in any situation could be a sin. He was not praying to Mecca, to Allah, or to any of the other Islamic weirdnesses...


18 posted on 12/01/2006 7:25:00 AM PST by livius
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To: Psalm 73; Carolina
a Christian leader, esp. one of such prominenece, should never demonstrate a reverence for it.

The Holy Father was not showing reverence for Islam. He was praying to the One, Holy and Almighty God. And you can be sure he was praying for peace and freedom of religion.

19 posted on 12/01/2006 7:28:54 AM PST by NYer (Apart from the cross, there is no other ladder by which we may get to Heaven. St. Rose of Lima)
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To: Psalm 73

Christians were praying eastwards long before the Muslims started. Look at the picture, if that is an attitude of Muslim prayer, then most people I know pray in a attitude of Muslims prayer. This is a nonstory that the media is trying to make something out of inorder to scandalize Christians. Don't fall for it.


20 posted on 12/01/2006 7:35:30 AM PST by mockingbyrd (Good heavens! What women these Christians have-----Libanus)
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