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Should the Unborn be Considered Human?
12/06/2006 | Matthew Brazil

Posted on 12/06/2006 10:56:00 AM PST by Ultra Sonic 007

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To: Van Jenerette

41 posted on 12/06/2006 11:19:25 AM PST by Van Jenerette (U.S.Army 1967-1991 Infantry OCS, Hall of Fame, Ft. Benning Ga.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

I think this is an excellent paper. Your former teachers would (or, at least, should) be proud. Let us know what grade you receive, and any comments your professor makes. Personally, I think this is as well-written as many articles that have been published. Wouldn't it be great to see it in a periodical?


42 posted on 12/06/2006 11:20:29 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: Michael.SF.
"Something to also consider (if you already haven't: If a pregnant woman's fetus is killed, say in a car accident, the criminal can be charged with a crime, vehichular manslaughter, even if the woman lives"


I prosecuted a person who killed a pregnant women while driving intoxicated. Two counts of criminal vehicular homicide. Two consecutive sentences. Yet abortion in this state is legal.
43 posted on 12/06/2006 11:20:44 AM PST by Prokopton
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
a human has to have a conscious, doesn’t it?

I wouldn't use 'conscious' as a noun, unless I was referring to the Freudian psychoanalytical concept, and even then it's typically expressed as 'the conscious.'

BTW, the question of whether an embryo/fetus/etc. is a living human has largely been conceded by the pro-abortion activists. Their arguments now go along the lines, 'yes, abortion does technically mean the death of a child, but it's justified because of"... economics/ethics/whatever.

44 posted on 12/06/2006 11:22:42 AM PST by Sloth (The GOP is to DemonRats in politics as Michael Jackson is to Jeffrey Dahmer in babysitting.)
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To: Prokopton
One can only shake one's head sometimes at the 'logic' of the legal system. Congrats on the conviction.
45 posted on 12/06/2006 11:23:52 AM PST by Michael.SF. (Note: Sell Diebold Stock.................NOW!!)
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To: Sloth

Sad, isn't it?

Are their senses of morality dead?


46 posted on 12/06/2006 11:27:27 AM PST by Ultra Sonic 007 (LET ME SHOW YOU MY POKEYMANS MY POKEYMANS LET ME SHOW YOU THEM)
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To: Ohioan from Florida

I was actually homeschooled from midway through 7th grade all the way through high school, so you can thank my parents.


47 posted on 12/06/2006 11:29:11 AM PST by Ultra Sonic 007 (LET ME SHOW YOU MY POKEYMANS MY POKEYMANS LET ME SHOW YOU THEM)
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To: Gaffer
Does this human being have the DNA of both parents? Of course!!

The idea that the "claim of right to kill" belongs to the female alone is an absurdity of this.

Kinda like "A pound of flesh but not one drop of blood". Take anything you want that contains ONLY the DNA of the mother. Everything else (for want of a perfect definition) has the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

48 posted on 12/06/2006 11:30:12 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

I submit: the egg.

According to the PETA-type folks, if it potentially "has a face", it ain't for eatin'.

Yet, they'd get an abortion in a heartbeat. Oh, the logic of lefties.


49 posted on 12/06/2006 11:32:44 AM PST by AmericanChef
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

As a former fetus, I oppose abortion!


50 posted on 12/06/2006 11:36:14 AM PST by debboo (Stop socialism, vote conservative)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Wonderful paper. I hope you get an A+!


51 posted on 12/06/2006 11:36:37 AM PST by Kaylee Frye
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Ah! I just noticed that the post ate the links to the online content.


52 posted on 12/06/2006 11:43:03 AM PST by Ultra Sonic 007 (LET ME SHOW YOU MY POKEYMANS MY POKEYMANS LET ME SHOW YOU THEM)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Yes they are human.

The argument for moderation is a mistake. If by moderation you mean compromise allowing abortion under certain conditions. Yes there should be civility. But there can be no moderation in this debate anymore they we can be moderate if we debate killing sick or disabled people. The reason being that compromise will always be based on a personal belief about abortion. When one person says we should allow abortion in some instances he may mean in cases of rape or incest. Another amy mean the mother has a history of post partum depression. Another may mean when the family is poor. All of the arguments for abortion are therefore subjective arguments. It places the burden on the fetus to show why it should be allowed to live. Its life is subject to the beliefs, wants and needs of another human being. It goes without saying that a fetus can not defend itself or offer an argument for its continued existence.

But we can. The only way to frame the argument for life and the defense of the unborn is not by subjective experience or anticipated experience. But by objective standards based on religion, science, woman's worth, natural law and society's duty to protect the sick, weak, poor and helpless. These things are solid, they do not change based on a person's whim or fancy.

If the value of any person's life can rightly be subject to another we have no valid argument against slavery, embryonic stem cells, cloning, euthanasia, child labor, child abuse, rape, and murder. Let alone abortion.

Abortion clinics are the contemporary altars of Moloch. Just as worship of Moloch brought down God's judgement on Canaan we can not avoid our day of judgement for tolerating abortion. That is why we must not compromise in our defense of the unborn. We do not need to engage in extreme slash and burn tactics but we must hold fast to declaring that yes unborn children are human. They are persons and worthy of the laws protection.


53 posted on 12/06/2006 11:43:37 AM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: lastchance

I sincerely hope I didn't somehow come across as arguing for moderation. If so, then I screwed up somewhere.


54 posted on 12/06/2006 11:48:22 AM PST by Ultra Sonic 007 (LET ME SHOW YOU MY POKEYMANS MY POKEYMANS LET ME SHOW YOU THEM)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Is the Pope Catholic? Of course the unborn child is HUMAN. That is not the pertinent question. The important distinction is whether or not it is considered a human BEING, which apparently has become a political distinction. If it is a human being, it has all the rights of a human being, which, in the US, includes that of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

The biggest argument of the pro-abortion folks is that it can't be considered a human being yet because it has not departed its mother's womb. A specious argument, considering the knowledge we have of pre-natal development, but one that has held since 1973.

55 posted on 12/06/2006 11:49:30 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

The only line I can think to draw that isn't completely arbitrary is conception. I'm open to other ideas.


56 posted on 12/06/2006 11:51:28 AM PST by DManA
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To: SuziQ
Of course the unborn child is HUMAN.

You'd be surprised how many pro-choice documents/books/material I read through that denied that. :/

57 posted on 12/06/2006 11:51:37 AM PST by Ultra Sonic 007 (LET ME SHOW YOU MY POKEYMANS MY POKEYMANS LET ME SHOW YOU THEM)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Simple question...

If parents of an unborn child lost 5 years of their own lives as a penalty for an abortion, how numerous would abortions be today?

There is no price for those that abort, so therefore there are lots of abortions.

Out of sight, out of mind.
The ultimate in selfishness.
Hell is an absence of God.
Humanism.

Take your pick...
58 posted on 12/06/2006 11:52:50 AM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
To be a human being would require that you are, firstly, alive. Secondly, you would have to have some sense of self, or consciousness, or even a “soul”, if you will.

Sorry, but no, to be a "human being" you must ONLY conform to the dictionary definition of the phrase which according to the American Heritage Dictionary is
A member of the genus Homo and especially of the species H. sapiens.

If you fall into the trap that the pro abortionists set when they start arguing the meaning of the obvious you get lost in the debate. When I debate them I start with the obvious, that the fetus is indeed a human being. You point to the dictionary and it's case closed. Then it's up to them to justify why it's OK to chop up a human being and throw it into the trash. I point out to them that they wouldn't do this to a pet, and so on, all of a sudden it's a lot more difficult for them to keep it rational.

However, if you start arguing whether the fetus is a human being you'll be 30 minutes into the conversation and you'll still have to prove to them a point which has been settled a long time ago when the phrase "human being" was coined.

59 posted on 12/06/2006 11:54:40 AM PST by mwilli20
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To: lastchance; Ultra Sonic 007

In a media age where Katie Couric had a colonoscopy live on TV and channels are devoted to grotesque plastic surgery techniques, just about the only medical procedure that is banned from display is a live fetal ultrasound. If every child that undergoes 'sex education' in school would be exposed to a film of fetal ultrasonography, the debate would be over regarding the humanity of a fetus.

It is advocacy groups like Planned Parenthood and NARAL who have kept this one bit of education totally off limits.


60 posted on 12/06/2006 11:55:21 AM PST by maica (America will be a hyperpower that's all hype and no power -- if we do not prevail in Iraq)
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