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To: jackibutterfly; steve-b
The reason the reason the muslim comparison fails is that in the case of muslims - they believe - based on faith.

Jesus' disciples on the other hand didn't have to take anything on faith - they knew - they were eye-witnesses - along with many others.

Yes, true believers will die for their cause. Not many though, will die for a known hoax.

Keep in mind that blowing yourself up doesn't take any more courage than holding a gun to your head and pulling the trigger - and the death is instantaneous.

Imagine, being the proponent of a hoax - as Jesus' followers must have been, and holding to the hoax for years - knowing it to be a hoax. No real reward - just suffering, torture, and gruesome death.

And you know, if there were only a few of them that hung on - living the lie - you could excuse them as fanatics. But for the whole group to hold on till the bitter end - eh, a hoax? I don't buy it...

45 posted on 12/23/2006 11:07:40 AM PST by jonno (...it almost seems as if the Universe must in some sense have known that we were coming...)
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To: jonno

I think you've got a point there - I wonder how many Muslims would die if they KNEW their "religion" is a hoax.

Thanks for pointing that out.


68 posted on 12/23/2006 10:29:01 PM PST by jackibutterfly
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