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Roberts blasts inadequate pay for judges
Seattle Post-Intelligencer ^ | December 31, 2006 | PETE YOST

Posted on 01/01/2007 7:26:14 AM PST by indcons

Pay for federal judges is so inadequate that it threatens to undermine the judiciary's independence, Chief Justice John Roberts says in a year-end report critical of Congress.

Issuing an eight-page message devoted exclusively to salaries, Roberts says the 678 full-time U.S. District Court judges, the backbone of the federal judiciary, are paid about half that of deans and senior law professors at top schools.

In the 1950s, 65 percent of U.S. District Court judges came from the practicing bar and 35 percent came from the public sector. Today the situation is reversed, Roberts said, with 60 percent from the public sector and less than 40 percent from private practice.

Federal district court judges are paid $165,200 annually; appeals court judges make $175,100; associate justices of the Supreme Court earn $203,000; the chief justice gets $212,100.

Thirty-eight judges have left the federal bench in the past six years and 17 in the past two years.

The issue of pay, says Roberts, "has now reached the level of a constitutional crisis."

"Inadequate compensation directly threatens the viability of life tenure, and if tenure in office is made uncertain, the strength and independence judges need to uphold the rule of law - even when it is unpopular to do so - will be seriously eroded," Roberts wrote.

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KEYWORDS: congress; govwatch; johnroberts; judgespay; judiciary; scotus; supremecourt
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To: indcons

There are certain penumbras that emanate that make this true. I think.


21 posted on 01/01/2007 7:43:55 AM PST by RayStacy
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To: indcons
Pro: We shouldn't ask people to take punitive pay cuts to enter public service for long terms.

Con: If they'd stick to interpreting the law rather than writing it, I'd care enough to do something. When they start showing a commitment to being judges is when I'll start caring about their pay.

CON wins, as far as I can tell. However, I'll happily raise Scalia's pay. Gosh he's fun to read!

22 posted on 01/01/2007 7:44:38 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Now we are all Massoud)
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To: TWohlford

Your premise is invalid. Judges are appointed by politicians. It's not a free market.


23 posted on 01/01/2007 7:44:48 AM PST by DManA
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To: TWohlford
" Perhaps, just perhaps, we should pay better money so that we get justices that actually are competent?"

Perhaps the argument would have merit if there was a list of those that had turned down the offer of a seat on the bench because it doesn't pay well enough?
24 posted on 01/01/2007 7:45:30 AM PST by Beagle8U
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To: TWohlford

I agree with you whole heartedly. For a free market society, salaries should be competitive. The best and brightest legal minds will not be motivated to be federal judges if federal judges get paid half of what their private sector conterparts are paid. The same can be said of many other professions. If goverment salaries are in the bottom quartile, then goverment employees will be dredged from the bottom quartile. Do we really want the lowest performers to be responsible for running the country?


25 posted on 01/01/2007 7:46:14 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: sgtbono2002
Still $165,000 is about $110,000 more than I make and yet I live pretty well.

Yeh, but you don't have to pay for the dry cleaning those black robes. Just imagine the cost if they still wore the powered wigs.

lol
26 posted on 01/01/2007 7:46:34 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: TWohlford
1. The free market rules. In this case, the free market has set the "price" for a top-notch legal mind significantly higher that what the gov't is willing to pay. Since when have Freepers allowed the Government to decide the market value of anything?

There is no "market" for jobs that only exist in the government sector. That's "since when" the Governemnt can decide the wages.

2. A low-paid judge is a bribable judge. Just look at the massive body of Senators and Representatives who are either "legally" bribed by special interests, or cross the line to the "illegal" kind (which are arguably more honest).

Millionaire Seators are succeptable as well. How much do you intend to pay these judges? Enough that a million dollar bribe is chump-change? Paying people to be honest is a fool's errand.

3. There are some things in life that you don't price-shop. For instance, do you buy the cheapest birth control? How about the cheapest hair cut? Or, do you buy the cheapest tires? Well, I don't use the cheapest atty, and I sure as hell don't want to use bargain justices either.

None of that has jack to do with judges. The president doesn't select judges based on what salaries they will accept. They are selected based on QUALIFICATIONS and IDEOLOGY.

27 posted on 01/01/2007 7:46:56 AM PST by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
And why should the best people accept judgeships if they have to take huge paycuts and live well below their ability in the private sectors? If you want the best, you need to pay for it. Otherwise, mediocre people will be the only ones willing to accept the positions.

The people arguing for low pay for judges are the same ones who would never make that argument for the private sector.

28 posted on 01/01/2007 7:47:09 AM PST by Timmy
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To: Non-Sequitur
The issue of pay, says Roberts, "has now reached the level of a constitutional crisis."

Ah yes. Bush's 'conservative' choice. The one we had to have. It's not bad enough politicians are wasting money, now a Republican judge thinks $165,000+ is not enough to live on.

29 posted on 01/01/2007 7:47:09 AM PST by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: indcons

If the best minds are conservatives and we want the best minds to be attracted to the bench, why not pay the amount the best minds could earn elsewhere?


30 posted on 01/01/2007 7:48:05 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: doc30

"their private sector conterparts are paid."

Pleae tell me what private industry employs judges.


31 posted on 01/01/2007 7:48:16 AM PST by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: indcons

Didn't CJ Roberts ask what the salary was before he agreed to take the gig?


32 posted on 01/01/2007 7:48:23 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Beagle8U

Where is it written that judging has to be their life long occupation? Work in the free market for a while, then do your public service for a while. Go back to the free market if it becomes to burdensome.


33 posted on 01/01/2007 7:48:26 AM PST by DManA
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To: DManA
Your premise is invalid. Judges are appointed by politicians. It's not a free market.

But it competes with the free market.

34 posted on 01/01/2007 7:49:07 AM PST by Timmy
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To: Timmy

See my post 33.


35 posted on 01/01/2007 7:49:46 AM PST by DManA
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To: Timmy

Please tell me what private industry employs judges.


36 posted on 01/01/2007 7:49:56 AM PST by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: Timmy

And yet, those are the ones who grip when an increase in the minimum wage is being considered.


37 posted on 01/01/2007 7:49:58 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: billbears
It's not bad enough politicians are wasting money, now a Republican judge thinks $165,000+ is not enough to live on.

Good thing you are not the owner of a baseball team.

38 posted on 01/01/2007 7:51:05 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: L98Fiero
Pleae tell me what private industry employs judges.

Uhhhh!!!!

American Idol!!!!!
39 posted on 01/01/2007 7:51:16 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: TWohlford
1. The free market rules. In this case, the free market has set the "price" for a top-notch legal mind significantly higher that what the gov't is willing to pay. Since when have Freepers allowed the Government to decide the market value of anything?

You're ignoring the intangibles. Antonin Scalia, corporate attorney is a nobody. Antonin Scalia, Supreme Court Justice, is quite a different matter. Sitting on the bench allows them to have an impact far in excess of anything a private citizen can have. It's the same with the Senate or Congress. How do you place a price on ego?

2. A low-paid judge is a bribable judge. Just look at the massive body of Senators and Representatives who are either "legally" bribed by special interests, or cross the line to the "illegal" kind (which are arguably more honest).

You would have to convince a lot of people that incomes in the $160,000 to $200,000 range is 'low paid'. It provides a very nice lifestyle, far nicer that 95% of the people in this country enjoy. They knew what they were getting into. If they felt that they could not live on that then they should not have become a judge in the first place. And if you raise the salary to a million or two per year, what the highest paid attorneys make, then how do you determine who wants to become a judge for the responsibility from who in merely in it for the money?

3. There are some things in life that you don't price-shop. For instance, do you buy the cheapest birth control? How about the cheapest hair cut? Or, do you buy the cheapest tires? Well, I don't use the cheapest atty, and I sure as hell don't want to use bargain justices either.

You fly on the cheapest airplane that the airline could buy. You ride in a car built as cheaply as the manufacturer knew how. Our troops fight with equipment sold to the government by the lowest bidder. Less expensive is not necessarily second rate. Nor is more expensive necessarily better. John Edwards made millions as an attorney. Does that mean that he's a better choice for the bench than someone like John Robert who was, by your definition, a poorly paid appeals court justice before becoming Chief Justice?

40 posted on 01/01/2007 7:51:33 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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