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The Strange Death of the Royal Navy. Brits will now rely on Europeans for their defense
New York Post ^ | January 14, 2007

Posted on 01/14/2007 1:33:36 PM PST by John Jorsett

A 400-YEAR epoch of world history is about to draw to a close. If Britain's current Labor government has its way, Britain's Royal Navy will mothball at least 13, and perhaps as many as 19, of its remaining 44 ships, or nearly half its effective fleet.

With one bureaucratic stroke, the Ministry of Defense will end a naval tradition reaching back to Sir Francis Drake - reducing the Royal Navy, which 40 years ago was still the second-largest fleet in the world, to the size of navies of countries like Indonesia and Turkey.

This decision, of course, has to be set against the background of Britain's decades-long decline as a world power. But it also reflects a struggle for the soul of Great Britain that has been going since World War II: Is Britain part of an English-speaking, Atlantic-based strategic alliance that includes the United States and Canada? Or is it part of Europe as envisioned by technocrats in Paris, Brussels and Berlin?

NEXT month's final decision on whether to scrap the Royal Navy may supply us with the answer. Because the Blair government's drastic plans include more than taking existing ships out of commission. The service's entire future as a blue-water navy (that is, a navy capable of operations outside Britain's own waters) may be forfeit.

According to The Daily Telegraph, plans for two new fleet carriers of the kind vital for fighting today's War on Terror and projecting power overseas - and forwhich $6.9 billion had already been set aside - will also be scrapped. Two new destroyers, which were supposed to replace at least some of the retired ships, are also out of the picture. The Telegraph even reports (Jan. 8) that all officer promotions in the navy are to be suspended for the next five years.

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To: tomcorn

Interesting turn of fate that Ireland has a GDP. It wasn't really that long ago when the Brits were starving the Irish.


41 posted on 01/14/2007 3:31:07 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: kabar
Who would attack them anyway?

They're losing from within.

42 posted on 01/14/2007 3:33:24 PM PST by Eclectica (Ask your MD about Evolution. Please!)
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To: John Jorsett
British defense spending has shrunk by more than 30 percent, to less than 2.5 percent of GDP. Today it is at its lowest level since 1930.

Will history repeat itself? By 1939 the British Armed Forces were obsolete and ill-prepared for even a token show of force against the German onslaught in Poland. In 1940 The British Navy, neutralized by the Luftwaffe, was unable to interdict the Nazi waterborne invasion of Norway.

Does Britain really think it can protect its national interests without being prepared to fight on foreign shores?

43 posted on 01/14/2007 3:36:35 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: John Jorsett
IIRC from David McCollough's "1776", the Royal Navy sent over 200 ships and transports loaded with troops to New York to confront George Washington's army. Our soon to be first President had to flee.

We were lucky. RIP RN.

44 posted on 01/14/2007 3:36:52 PM PST by Jacquerie (Scotus hasn't been a check on the other two branches since FDR.)
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To: John Jorsett
Lord Nelson is not amused. In fact, he's just about ready to cry.


45 posted on 01/14/2007 3:48:07 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: dk/coro
Europe is lost -- and will be majority Muslim within two generations.

End of story.

If it doesn't happen like that- what will be your explanation? Will it mean you are wrong about a lot of things or will you have a rationalization for why it did not come to pass as you say?

If you ask me, the US is in much worse shape than any of Europe.

The person that hates America the most in the entire known universe is Speaker of the House. Yet Americans like to point at the much smaller problems that Europe has and say 'they're doomed'.

Any nation that would put Nancy Pelosi in charge of anything is seriously hurting and any nation STUPID enough to allow such a person to be speaker of the house is walking on its last legs.

46 posted on 01/14/2007 3:55:03 PM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: Plains Drifter

> Why would any nation incur the expense of a military, when all they have to do is ask the American tax payer to fight there wars for them. When the war or police action is over, we'll pay to clean up the mess. Just call 1-800-U. S.Government( aka sucker)

So far in their history, the Brits haven't done that to the US.

New Zealand (where I live) on the other hand, seems to be following a military policy that suggests, in the event of war, an expectation of intervention by a stronger ally: such as Australia and/or the US and/or Japan. Speaking personally, I think it is a very dangerous policy.

To be fair, tho' -- the US has gone out of its way to encourage this expectation amongst smaller countries. This is because the US is both generous and enlightened in its self-interest. So far, as a US foreign policy, it has generally worked.


47 posted on 01/14/2007 4:05:07 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace

Yes...rather ironic. Ireland was an early adopter of the Maastricht Treaty. In the global information economy Ireland has faired well. A superior education system and a work force ready to go. The Celtic tiger was on the hunt.

I visit Ireland every five years and the economic changes are astonishing. The building boom over the last decade alone is a stunner.

There is a downside to it I guess. Ireland is becoming less Irish and more international in style. Dublin will look like Frankfurt in another decade.


48 posted on 01/14/2007 4:24:30 PM PST by tomcorn
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To: Plains Drifter

Soon, if our liberals have their way, which seems increasingly likely, America will not fight anyone's wars, including her own. Their geopolitical objective, both near and long term, in the event of any foreign deployment of U. S. military forces, is "Bring the Troops Home!"


49 posted on 01/14/2007 4:35:04 PM PST by Elsiejay (\)
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To: John Jorsett
What can one say but: wow!

It doesn't matter if they're part of the anglosphere or part of the EU.

The main tragedy here is that Britain has now put defense of the realm into the hands of people who are paid to defend them, not who have their heart and soul wrapped up in that defense.

This ain't gonna turn out well. Guaranteed.

Never thought I'd live to see the day.

But, hey. More money for socialized medicine and other social programs. They ultimately have the US to defend them. Just like the rest of Europe, which is why they have no military to speak of themselves.

So if you look at it right, the US pays for the EU's social programs.

50 posted on 01/14/2007 4:53:05 PM PST by HeartlandOfAmerica (The Democrat Party: Best friends of America's WORST enemies!)
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To: PAR35

Re: No jumps for Paras as MoD cuts £1bn (British paratroops now in name only)
Sunday Telegraph ^ | 17/12/2006 | Sean Rayment and Rob Watts
Posted on 12/29/2006 1:07:11 AM CST by tlb
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1759754/posts

That slipped by me, too...

Gadzooks, it appears the UK military is going completely down the tubes!


51 posted on 01/14/2007 4:57:38 PM PST by Bender2 (I am off politics until Nancy moves to Tehran... There to be taken straight to the ever after!)
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To: Zhang Fei
King Arthur was Welsh. He'd be depressed at how Angles, Saxons and Normans from continental Europe were running his former domain.

One school of thought has him as a Welsh chieftain, another as a Roman cavalryman. Depends on who you read.

But it's a good point either way.
52 posted on 01/14/2007 5:07:21 PM PST by WardMClark (The guy that PeTA hates most. Ask me why.)
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To: CodeMasterPhilzar
I cannot begin to fathom what you are basing this opinion on. Please explain???

The fact that 20% of Britons are over 60. Another 20% are over 40. The other 60% is being outbred by Muslims 4 or 5 to 1.5...
53 posted on 01/14/2007 5:48:22 PM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.com/)
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To: Prodigal Son

We're walking the same road to be sure, but as of right now they are further down it than we are.


54 posted on 01/14/2007 5:49:43 PM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.com/)
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To: tomcorn
I've only been once and it was last December. It is a nice place. I was struck (and pleased) by the agrarian feel that the country retains. Losing a piece of ones local/regional/national identity is one price that is paid for consumerism/globalism. Dublin may change, but I think Ireland will retain its unique charm for many decades...at least I hope so!
55 posted on 01/14/2007 7:35:58 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

And the cheese stands alone........


56 posted on 01/14/2007 7:36:55 PM PST by bonfire
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To: WardMClark

As General Washington weeps for ours.


57 posted on 01/14/2007 7:37:58 PM PST by hedgetrimmer (I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: Prodigal Son
"If it (Europe's demise) doesn't happen like that -what will be your explanation?"

Well, kind sir, even as much as I agree with you about the current Speaker of the House, I don't recall that Pelosi is the point of this thread.

And, while I appreciate your Scottish locale very much, and being of the Bowes-Lyons lineage myself, the fact of the matter is that sheer demographics will force the UK to knuckle under to the EU appeasement reality vis-a-vis the Muslim incursion.

I am sure you are well aware that Leicester and Birmingham are already majority rag-head; and that demographic transition occurred just last year.

Look ahead two generations -- and either head for the Shetlands or be prepared for Sharia vice Common Law!
58 posted on 01/14/2007 8:35:04 PM PST by dk/coro
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To: WardMClark

Brits don't care about King Arthur....they care about Marx.


59 posted on 01/14/2007 9:42:36 PM PST by wildcatf4f3 (Find out what brand the Ethiopians are drinking and send a case to all my generals.)
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To: John Jorsett

That means they will not be able to protect even the Falklands again, if needed.

Is Spanish or Italian the primary language of Argentina?

I am sure the Falklanders know and will be ordering their universal language tutors.


60 posted on 01/14/2007 9:45:10 PM PST by Prost1 (Fair and Unbiased as always!)
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