Posted on 01/14/2007 4:25:09 PM PST by Howlin
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The British DID manage to raise a significant force of loyalists in the South, and one major battle they fought was at Kings Mountain, a critical turning point in favor of the Patriot cause in the South.
"Kings Mountain is a unique battle for several reasons. It was one of the few major battles of the war fought entirely between Americans: no British troops served here [not correct - Major Ferguson was a British regular -- SJB.]. In the South, many people were divided. When the war started, some fought for independence, others for loyalty to England."
http://www.nps.gov/kimo/moreintroinfo.htm
Even up north, the British General Burgoyne had success in recruiting a significant element of colonial loyalist troops into his forces, and they were for example part of the force that lost in the Battle of Bennington.
Well it still sucks to be her.
"When I refer to 'the defendants' seeking federal civil rights damages, I am referring to the lacrosse case defendants."
Thanks for pointing out that misunderstanding on my part.
"The body of 1983 cases is so vast, one can find winners on slim circumstantial evidence and losers on what one would think is very strong evidence. This, like many areas of law, is not one where IMO one should purport to predict outcomes with absolute certainty, but is better stated in terms of odds."
Agreed -- you never know what a jury will do. And although I disagree with any suggestion that the circumstantial evidence of intent in this case is "slim," the task of trying to predict outcomes with absolute certainty in such cases is best left to talking heads who simply don't care if and when they are proven wrong.
"My take on their odds of success based on what has been publicly revealed about the case so far, taking ALL factors (legal and practical) into account, is about 1:4. I take it you would put them at better than 1:1."
Actually, I'd put them at perhaps 50-50 IF the disciplinary proceedings actually produce a finding of professional misconduct, either by admission (via settlement) or otherwise. (But even 1:4 is a reasonable guess, too.) I also think the odds are much better that any section 1983 suit would survive a motion to dismiss.
Mob justice like that meted out by the Sons of Liberty is one reason. This is well worth exploring but we should find another thread or forum.
Here is what this article quotes a defense motion saying:
"He ignored the actual facts and improperly injected himself in the photographic lineup proceedings, which violates police policy," the motion reads.
Here is the link:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/LegalCenter/story?id=1909167&page=1
Thanks for finding that link and the one with the photo lineup transcript.
Were I were representing one of the defendants in this case, I too would most certainly be arguing very strongly that the photo identification procedure violated both the federal and state constitutions.
And according to the attorneys on Greta's show last week, that is textbook criminal -- and opens him wide up for a big fat lawsuit; doing what he did is one of the ways they can break that so called immunity he has.
I cannot wait to see Joe Cheshire go after this guy.
As an ambitious politico, he can read the facts, and the public sentiment. After a reasonable delay (so as not to offend the sentiments of certain former and future constituencies), I predict he'll try to brush this whole affair under the rug.
Great (if a bit over-scripted) material from the Moms on 60 Minutes tonight. The lurch by CBS toward the Dook lax players' side is telling. Come to think of it, I haven't heard much from Revs. Jackson and Sharpton lately, either. The Dook administration is retreating, too, of course. The State of NC, in the person of Roy Cooper, will soon follow, in my opinion.
I wish I didn't agree with you; but you and I both know they all think they're smarter than we are, so they believe they can slide it by us and we won't know the difference.
You and I both know that this state has taken a pounding on this case and that deals are being made all over this state this very minute to put a stop to this.
The RIGHT thing to do is to go through ALL the evidence and, if it warrants it, come out and tell the TRUTH -- that he had nothing, that they never should have been indicted and that she was lying. And to hell with the consequences.
Shall we wait together for that to happen?
At the end of the game I yelled YES! when NE won and my son was yelling NO! As another Chiefs fan I don't want Marty anyway near a Superbowl. I want Carl Peterson gone too.
I think because everyone involved has been a rat they have to keep the black vote in any potential statewide race in mind. So I think the AG will make the two special prosecutors look at this a couple of weeks before dropping the charges.
Howlin, the AG might have thought he could slip this by someone before he watched 60 Mins tonight. I can assure you he wants those Moms mad at Nifong and not him.
Something that I just cannot get out of my mind is the first audio they released of the call the officer made back to headquarters about her.
I remember that we sat here and listened to it over and over and I transcribed it myself on this very forum (and I cannot find it); but I distinctly remember one of the officer asking them to "go by there and check on the kids."
I want to know what that meant. Did they know her and ask somebody to check on her kids that very night?
I am afraid we are going to lose track of this story now; we're not going to get the details/answers we all want.
Thanks! I am pretty sure I have not seen this before, especially in this format. With all I've read, I thought I had seen everything by now, but I guess not.
And you guys come from such a beatiful city...too bad!!
I'm gonna assume that you're directing your post to San Diego fans and not me personally. It took me a while to figure out WTH you were referring to.
I don't have any professional experience. But I will acknowledge that I have been struck by the ability of a few manic-depressives of my acquaintance to be the most fabulous liars I have ever encountered.
Admittedly, I consider my personal anecdotes to be worth slightly more than squat.
"Shall we wait together for that to happen?"
For me, if and when all charges against the players are dismissed, the acid test will be if the accuser *herself* is charged with any crimes, such as filing a false police report. Then, I would be confident that the State of North Carolina was truly not, unlike Nifong, indifferent (or worse) to the interests of justice.
The words and demeanors of the Moms tonight on 60 Minutes gave me a good deal of hope. I hope that it will indeed develop that Nifong "picked on the wrong people." If anyone starts a Rich White Guy Legal Defense Fund, I'll contribute.
As the truth dawns (excruciatingly slowly, but inevitably) on the public, and sentiment turns with it, they will be, I hope, unwilling to settle for "not proved," "case dismissed on technicalities," or "oops" as a final resolution. They will want, and they deserve, affirmative verdicts of innocence, and of malfeasance on the part of Nifong.
I think they'll ultimately get the first part of that, but the second will be tough.
Yeah, the debacle against the Colts was the final nail in Peterson's coffin for me. The Chiefs were the recipient of the opportunity of more than a decade of playoff frustration, and they shot craps.
Which officer's call are you referring to, the one at the Kroger or the one after she was taken to Duke? Or a different one altogether?
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