This is why you should vote for Rudy. Lets first address the social issues. Let's start with pro-homo. He's AGAINST gay marriage. Now as far as homos go, personally, I disagree with their life style but as long as they do what they do in the privacy of their own home I really don't care and nobody else should either, especially not the federal government. The POTUS doesn't have the power to stop people from being gay. And he surely shouldn't be interferring in people's private lives. So therefore voting on the basis of this issue doesn't make much sense.
As far as abortion goes, we have a pro-life President now but we are still having abortions. No president has the power to stop abortion. Rudy has already said he supports strict constructionist judges like John Roberts. He constantly praised the President for appointing Roberts and Alito. He said Roberts is his ideal justice. Assuming Rudy gets elected President and appoints Roberts-like justices then maybe Roe v. Wade will get overturned. But even if it does get overturned I hope you're not naive enough to think that would stop all abortions. The abortion issue would then revert back to the states and do you really think California would outlaw abortions? Being pragmatic in our thinking we all know we can't completely stop abortions. Therefore voting solely on this issue very unpragmatic. I hate abortions too but I realize that regardless of how many pro-life presidents we elect, its just not going to stop.
Rudy is great on all the other issues, the ones where the President actually has the power to make a real difference, like the WOT. He's fiscally responible(he turned a NYC's deficit into a surplus), a tax cutter(he cut over 20 taxes as Mayor), conservative on domestic policies(he dropped 600,000 people off welfare, cleaned up the rampant crime as Mayor and supports school choice), supports strict constructionist judges, and is 100% perfect when it comes to his stance on the WOT and all other foreign policy which by the way is 100 times more important than worrying about what some gays people are doing, gay people that doesn't affect your life at all!!!
With Rudy you are not getting a liberal, you are getting a man who is conservative on most issues, the issues where the president actually has major influence over and yes he is fairly liberal on a couple of social issues, issues that the president has very little influence over. Nowadays judges have the most influence on these issues and Rudy supports strict constructionist so that pretty well takes care of the social issues and will help us get these issues back to the states where they belong. So on the AVERAGE he is fairly conservative and not a liberal and more importantly conservative on the issues where the President can make a difference. And most importantly he will continue Bush's work on the WOT and give us a great foreign policy.
Finally, Rudy and McCain are, IMO, the only two Republicans that can win in 2008. So take your pick, Hillary, McCain, or Rudy. Sure, you can "choose" another Republican but he will lose to Hillary. Back to Rudy, If he's elected President and fights terrorist like he fought crime as Mayor can you imagine the results we will in the defining struggle of our generation, the fight against Islamic fascism. You know for a fact Hillary will surrender the terrorist and hand our foreign policy over to the UN and EU and poor Israel would be left out to dry. Rudy is extremely competetent and a great leader and there is nobody I want more as Commander in Chief. So you go ahead and worry about gays, people that don't affect your life at all. I'm going to worry about Islamic fascism, you know the people that want to kill us all, and vote for someone that will go after them.
Lets review history. World War II ended in 1945. SEVEN years later in 1952 the most popular general of the war, Dwight Eisenhower, won in a landslide despite far right extremist unpragmatic Republicans not supporting him in the primaries. History always repeats itself
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Abortion Fits GOP Philosophy, Says GiulianiBy Jeff McKay
CNS Correspondent
April 09, 2001
New York, N.Y. (CNSNews.com) - While the national Republican platform is decidedly pro-life and has been for the past two decades, the GOP mayor of the nation's largest city believes his party's philosophical underpinnings are more in tune with the pro-abortion point of view.
New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani said favoring the availability of abortion is "more consistent with the philosophy of the Republican Party."
Giuliani made his eyebrow-raising remarks at an awards luncheon April 6 sponsored by the National Abortion Rights Action League in New York City, a leading abortion group.
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Kelli Conlin, the executive director of the New York chapter of NARAL, applauded Giuliani's views. She called the mayor "a great advocate for us," and said it was "unfortunate the leadership of the GOP has moved into a direction where they want to implant government control on the lives of women and on reproductive freedom."
Although some of the state's top Republicans favor the availability of abortion - both Giuliani and Gov. George Pataki are supporters of abortion rights - their views on the issue are not shared by all in the New York GOP.
"Rudy Giuliani is not the poster child for the Republican Party. His values are completely out-of-step with the views of the GOP," said Lori Hougen, spokesperson for the New York chapter of the National Right to Life.
Agreed. Abortion is settled law, it is here to stay. Even if Rowe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, which will never happen, it would go to the states to decide and virtually all of them would allow it. Anti-gay marriage, again, the voters have spoken and the courts have where the voters haven't. It will be a state law matter just like abortion so forget about it. Hate it, despise it but realize no politician has any effect upon it.
Look at competence and leadership and nothing more. G is honest and may be the world's worst husband but too bad.
Abortion is here to stay so get over it and move on to important issues like the survival of western civilization.
Well said. I agree with you completely.
Giuliani should be proud to have a supporter like you! :)
I just don't buy the argument sorry. IF WE DID NOT HAVE ANY OTHER CANDIDATES (if that was possible), I could see us social conservatives considering Giuliani or Romney (not McCain! :), but WE HAVE CHOICES... GOOD CHOICES I might add... Do you know what I mean?...
Now, I think everybody should be able to make arguments for our favorites, just like you and I do, and let people decide. We forget we are still TWO YEARS AWAY from the election... well, at least one year anyway... So we have plenty of time to discern and examine each candidate's record to death. That does not mean that if we see that your side is sugar coating over issues (Pro abortion, pro homosexuals... and God know what would happen with the homos in the Military with this guy (a chance we can NOT take), anti-gun, etc, etc, etc.)... we are going just to let it go.. No! We should be as nice as possible, but we must bring those issues into the open... Because what we say here - as you know you know - goes far beyond FR...Which by the way, it is my main objective.
Also, we should remember we are on the same team... Or not?... MY tag has never changed... and it will remain the same for as long as I participate on FR. Because if we can not talk among ourselves in a 'conservative' forum... If we can not give each other a little bit of leeway... Where can we go then?
You know, in all honesty, I am just wondering, if you can find so many good things about Giuliani and somehow minimize the bad ones, how come you are no crazy about Duncan? Oh... That is not well known enough? What kind of a silly argument is that?..:) Rember Carter? Slick? and with today's communications, Duncan WILL BE KNOWN TO EVERYONE soon enough, you'll see.
Sorry to be so long... That is the punishment to those of us who do not master the English Language... Too late for me :)
Reagan was a great president, and won by a landlside, right? Is giuliani anything like Reagan? Nope, not even close. Hunter is very much like Reagan. He can win by a landslide, with a little more face time on TV. We have close to a year before the new hampshire primaries, too.