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Your post at #16 is pure fallacy.

>>>>>With Rudy you are not getting a liberal, you are getting a man who is conservative on most issues ...

~ Rudy supports big government Republicanism.
* Conservatives support limited government.

~ Rudy has supported gun control and an assault weapons ban.
* Conservatives oppose gun control and an assault weapons ban.

~ Rudy has supported abortion on demand and a ban on partial birth abortion.
* Conservatives oppose abortion on demand and support a ban on partial birth abortion.

~ Rudy has supported and even promoted special rights for homos.
* Conservatives oppose special rights for anyone.

~ Rudy supports liberal immigration reform, amnesty and a path to citizenship for illegals.
* Conservatives are opposed to liberal immigration reform, amnesty and a path to citizenship for illegals.

There is nothing conservative about Rudy Giuliani. Rudy`s major accomplishment upon leaving office as Mayor of NYCity was to reduce crime. The current liberal mayor of NYCity Mike Bloomberg has also reduced crime. Doesn't mean conservatives will vote for either Giuliani or Bloomberg to be POTUS. Only a moderate, centrist or liberal Republican could vote for Rudy. Unless you pull a "Vito Fossella", and sell out your conservative principles for the liberal bandwagon of Rudy Giuliani. Rudy`s given a lifetime of support to liberal policies and liberal causes, and that should be a turnoff to anyone who calls themselves a conservative.