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Behind Ford's scary $12.7 billion loss
CNN Money ^ | January 26 2007: 11:31 AM EST | By Alex Taylor III, Fortune senior editor

Posted on 01/29/2007 11:22:19 AM PST by .cnI redruM

The Big Three are hemorrhaging money, and struggling to stay competitive with foreign rivals. Fortune's Alex Taylor crunches the numbers.

NEW YORK (Fortune) -- An enormous gap still separates the performance of Detroit automakers from their foreign competitors - and it isn't all their fault.

The stupefying $12.7 billion loss that Ford Motor Co. reported Thursday for 2006 comes one year after General Motors' equally horrendous $10.6 billion loss for 2005.

But for all the bad decisions these companies have made by not listening to their customers, they aren't entirely to blame. Structural inequities between the U.S. and Japan - notably in labor costs and currency - account for a big chunk of Detroit's problems.

The evidence can be seen in a report prepared by the Detroit consulting firm Harbour-Felax, first released back in October and updated for Fortune. For anyone who makes a living from the domestic auto industry, it is depressing reading. An enormous and persistent gap separates the home team from the import companies - large enough to question the continued survival of the U.S. companies.

(Excerpt) Read more at money.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: automobiles; liberalagenda; loss; unions; workrules
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To: gogeo

"Some say it has nothing to do with where a vehicle is assembled, it has to do with where the profits are sent. Profits from sales of Toyotas, for example, are sent to the home office."

Roughly half of Toyata is owned by Americans.

That said --- ROI is what, 15-20%? If a car is designed, marketed, and manufactured in the USA, 80-85% of the gravy stays here.


81 posted on 01/29/2007 12:39:01 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: antiRepublicrat

Exactly...

DAEWOO showed the US just how bad Chinese cars can be.... but Americans have short memories...


82 posted on 01/29/2007 12:40:32 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay
Daewoo is Korean.
83 posted on 01/29/2007 12:46:09 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: HamiltonJay

Daewoo is Korean and owned by GM. The absolute best small car technology that GM has comes out of Daewoo - it's world class and one of GM's gems.


84 posted on 01/29/2007 12:47:35 PM PST by green iguana
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To: green iguana

hahaha, yea that's why they all FAILED US crash tests for the 2 years it was sold here... and promptly left the market with its tail between its legs.


85 posted on 01/29/2007 12:48:41 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay

Totally different company now - no doubt that similarly to Hyundia, they used to make bad product. The cars that GM sells as Chevys in Europe are all rebadged Daewoos. The Corvette is still sold in Europe but not as a Chevy - its just a Corvette.


86 posted on 01/29/2007 12:54:15 PM PST by green iguana
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To: BipolarBob

While I'm no fan of unions, I tend to agree with you here. While the unions are an anachronism, management of these companies haven't exactly been visionary, whether you're talking about design, engineering, or whatever. I think the unions are handcuffing them, but management isn't adding a whole lot of value either.


87 posted on 01/29/2007 1:00:49 PM PST by CoolPapaBoze
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To: PATRICK HENRY USA

As a dedicated Toyota customer (made in America for the most part), I have always felt that the Big 3 American car manufacturers had FAR less quality and ooomph in equivalently priced cars. I gave up on them some time ago. While I want to support US manufacturing jobs, I do not want to support the UAW and weaselly auto executives.

I rent a lot of (almost always American) cars during my business travels. In the past year or so, it seems that the gap is greatly reduced. I recently drove a Chevy Malibu that was a pleasure to drive. Of coourse, I can't speak to its durability in comparison to the Camry.


88 posted on 01/29/2007 1:06:09 PM PST by neocon1984 (end the idiocy of post-modernism)
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To: jpl
"You can't build a reputation on what you are going to do." -Henry Ford

Love the quote. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to apply to any liberal politician. "What they are going to do" is their stock and trade. I guess I can't blame them given that most of them haven't many accomplishments to point to, save getting elected. JF Kerry is the poster child for this.
89 posted on 01/29/2007 1:08:51 PM PST by CoolPapaBoze
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To: BipolarBob

Exactly. The management have screwed up in so many ways. First of all, by caving to the unions. Secondly, there is some truth to the rediculous packages they give themselves. Thirdly, they got burned twice by relying on low fuel prices (muscle cars in the 70s, then SUVs today). The late 70's oil crisis was when the Japanese automakers first got their foot in the door, and recently is when they've really exploded. Fourthly, lack of innovation. Today's American cars for the most part are not much to look at - not the way the old classics were.


90 posted on 01/29/2007 1:10:33 PM PST by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: Tulane
Lol, name a company big labor hasn't killed...

Wal-Mart. Because they have refused to be run outta business by the unions.

91 posted on 01/29/2007 1:10:59 PM PST by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: .cnI redruM

Fortune is TimeWarner.....not a valid source for anything believable.


92 posted on 01/29/2007 1:12:05 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. .... It's spit on a lefty day.)
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To: randog

That was my first thought.
We will have to give them more time and a lot more money first.


93 posted on 01/29/2007 1:29:28 PM PST by winodog
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To: Tulane

UPS is one.


94 posted on 01/29/2007 1:30:55 PM PST by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: Tulane
Lol, name a company big labor hasn't killed...

Unfortunately, they have their eye on the US Government. I think the government employees union is that biggest in the country now. And guess who pays that bill?

95 posted on 01/29/2007 1:32:26 PM PST by TravisBickle (This space left unintentionally blank.)
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To: bondjamesbond

It already has. Most of the Hondas and Toyotas sold here are assembled in the US, with non-union labor.


96 posted on 01/29/2007 2:01:03 PM PST by expatpat
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To: .cnI redruM
I fear GM, Ford and Chrysler in a few years will be unrecognizable - all three are facing very tough times and the Chinese wave of automobiles hasn't even *STARTED* yet.

If it is any consolation, the Europeans, Koreans and even the Japanese face the same fate - the Japanese will probably hold out the longest.

of course, what will happen is that all of these manufacturers will end up selling what are basically Chinese cars with GM, Ford, Chrysler, and Toyota nametags.

Most likely, the Chinese parts content on *ALL* vehicles these days is sky high...

97 posted on 01/29/2007 2:08:01 PM PST by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: Paved Paradise
why, are these Chinese cars going to be as bad as a Dodge Aspen from the late 1970's and early 1980's??
98 posted on 01/29/2007 2:09:35 PM PST by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: Mr. K

I am 6'4" and I have a Honda Civic - the 4th one I in a row. the are incredibly well made and fuel efficient (40+ miles per gallon)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I too am the same height and have found that amazingly enough some of the smaller vehicles have more driver room than the big ones. Long ago I bought two American Motors vehicles new simply because they were far more comfortable for me to drive than anything else I could find. I have sat in some huge cars that had far less driver room than the Honda Civic.


99 posted on 01/29/2007 2:11:24 PM PST by RipSawyer (Does anybody still believe this is a free country?)
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To: neocon1984

I am not impressed by the style of Jap cars but they
sure run well. I have and will support American car companies but that's my patriotic feeling. I don't begrudge anyone purchasing a Toyota, Nissan or whatever choice.


100 posted on 01/29/2007 2:19:03 PM PST by ChiMark
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