To: FreedomCalls
The issue is excessive police force against innocent citizens which results in their death. You do not have sufficient information to reasonably conclude that the force was excessive or that the citizen was innocent.
To: rogue yam
You do not have sufficient information to reasonably conclude that the force was excessive or that the citizen was innocent.Certainly a conclusion can not be drawn from the evidence as we have it at this time, but it is simply disingenuous to claim the narrative as we have it doesn't weigh heavily against the police.
We're talking an octogenarian with a prior reputation (which the police seem to be oblivious to) and undercover police officers on a productive assignment.
To: rogue yam
You do not have sufficient information to reasonably conclude that the force was excessive or that the citizen was innocent.P.S. as the police are agents of the state, this man deserves the presumption of innocence and it is not your place to strip him of it.
To: rogue yam
"You do not have sufficient information to reasonably conclude that the force was excessive or that the citizen was innocent." Excessive? The elderly man is dead. Innocent? Of what defending himself from rouge 'undercover narcotics' cops who most likely looked like junkies about to rob him.
90 posted on
01/30/2007 6:59:14 PM PST by
M. Espinola
(Freedom is Never Free)
To: rogue yam
You do not have sufficient information to reasonably conclude that the force was excessive or that the citizen was innocent.
If but for the actions of the officers the citizen would still be alive.
They set in motion the events that ultimately led to a mans death.
Those are the facts.
They were "pretending" to engage in crime , that "crime"led to a mans death.
133 posted on
01/31/2007 5:42:40 AM PST by
THEUPMAN
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To: rogue yam
You do not have sufficient information to reasonably conclude that the force was excessive or that the citizen was innocent. Let's see, he's DEAD. that's pretty excessive.
Citizen innocent? Innocent of what? He was defending his property.
The cops, had they had half a brain should have just LEFT. Since when is a drug bust worth more than a citizen's life?
141 posted on
01/31/2007 8:15:29 AM PST by
Centurion2000
(If you're not being shot at, it's not a high stress job.)
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