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To: billbears; stand watie; 4CJ; Libertarianize the GOP; bluecollarman
Lincoln's actions:
  1. Illegal appropriation of funds to build weapons (no Congressional consent)
  2. Illegal blocking of Southern ports (considered an act of war, no Congressional consent obtained)
  3. Suspension of habeas corpus (again, without Congressional consent)
  4. Demanding state governors conscript 75,000 soldiers (no Congressional consent)
  5. Usurpation of power
  6. Deportation/Colonization plan for slaves in Liberia/Panama/Haiti
  7. Shutting down of newspapers and other outlets
  8. Refusal to trade Union POWs with Confederate POWs

Lincoln's results:

  1. Creation of unprecendented centralized national government
  2. Essentially dissolved state sovereignty
  3. Creation of centralization national bank system
  4. Reconstruction resulted in one of the greatest failures in American history
  5. 9% Union and 12% Confederate POWs died in prison camps because Lincoln refused to exchange prisoners
  6. Imprisonment of over 14,000 civilians by military police for "alleged" crimes that never existed.
  7. Shutdown of nearly 300 newspaper and media outlets that voiced concern over the administration's policies.
  8. 620,000 American Dead. More than all other American military conflicts combined.
  9. Nearly 500,000 American Wounded.
  10. Billions of dollars in war costs, reconstruction, and veteran benefits.
  11. Destruction of thousands upon thousands of livestock and agricultural land, primarily in the South.

51 posted on 02/09/2007 9:16:15 PM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner

moron he preserved the union you rebel redneck


74 posted on 02/10/2007 8:58:38 AM PST by KingArthur305
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To: stainlessbanner
620,000 American Dead. More than all other American military conflicts combined. Nearly 500,000 American Wounded.

Drop in the bucket compared to the millions of slave that died going to the South.

98 posted on 02/11/2007 10:24:31 AM PST by KingArthur305
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To: stainlessbanner
9% Union and 12% Confederate POWs died in prison camps because Lincoln refused to exchange prisoners Imprisonment of over 14,000 civilians by military police for "alleged" crimes that never existed.

He refused exchange because the rebels didn't concider African American POW's equivient to redneck rebels. They got a taste of negro life, hey.

100 posted on 02/11/2007 10:31:47 AM PST by KingArthur305
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To: stainlessbanner; KingArthur305
My God, Stainless! This is the best you can come up with?

1. Illegal appropriation of funds to build weapons (no Congressional consent)

Lincoln's authorization of the disbursement of some funds came out of the government money available. Your claim is debatable at best.

2. Illegal blocking of Southern ports (considered an act of war, no Congressional consent obtained) Considered an act of war by whom? Lincoln was commander of the army and the navy. He announced a blockade as a means of combatting the Southern rebellion. What required him to get Congressional approval ahead of time? Your claim is false.

3. Suspension of habeas corpus (again, without Congressional consent)

The Constitution says habeas corpus may be suspended when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it. It does not say who can suspend it. Lincoln's actions have never been ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court so your claim is false. 4. Demanding state governors conscript 75,000 soldiers (no Congressional consent)

Lincoln called for 75,000 volunteers, well within the powers granted him by the Militia Act. Nothing was said about conscription. This is a complete lie on your part, stainless, and quite out of character for you.

5. Usurpation of power.

Say what?

6. Deportation/Colonization plan for slaves in Liberia/Panama/Haiti.

Nothing illegal in that since such colonization was to be voluntary. And in keeping with plans supported by the likes of Roger Taney, Robert Lee, and John Breckenridge. Your criticizm of Lincoln should extend to them as well, shouldn't it?

7. Shutting down of newspapers and other outlets.

Outlets? You mean Lincoln shut down the malls???? Claims that Lincoln suppressed the press are badly overstated by the Southeron contingent.

8. Refusal to trade Union POWs with Confederate POWs

Because the confederates refused to consider black Union soldiers as POWs. You keep forgetting to mention that part.

Lincoln's results...

The results were from a war that the south started, stainless. You also keep forgetting to mention that part.

116 posted on 02/11/2007 3:22:03 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: stainlessbanner

Lincoln's actions:
1. Illegal appropriation of funds to build weapons (no Congressional consent)
2. Illegal blocking of Southern ports (considered an act of war, no
Congressional consent obtained)
3. Suspension of habeas corpus (again, without Congressional consent)
4. Demanding state governors conscript 75,000 soldiers (no Congressional
consent)
5. Usurpation of power
6. Deportation/Colonization plan for slaves in Liberia/Panama/Haiti
7. Shutting down of newspapers and other outlets
8. Refusal to trade Union POWs with Confederate POWs

Lincoln's results:

1. Creation of unprecendented centralized national government
2. Essentially dissolved state sovereignty
3. Creation of centralization national bank system
4. Reconstruction resulted in one of the greatest failures in American history
9% Union and 12% Confederate POWs died in prison camps because
Lincoln refused to exchange prisoners
5. Imprisonment of over 14,000 civilians by military police for "alleged"
crimes that never existed.
6. Shutdown of nearly 300 newspaper and media outlets that voiced concern
over the administration's policies.
7. 620,000 American Dead. More than all other American military conflicts
combined.
8. Nearly 500,000 American Wounded.
9. Billions of dollars in war costs, reconstruction, and veteran benefits.
10. Destruction of thousands upon thousands of livestock and agricultural
land, primarily in the South.

Many on this thread are still denying that pathetic little Lincoln was no more than a Hillary in disguise. Chances are, they are going to keep denying all his witchhunt deeds until a Hillary or a Hillary, Marxist wannabe is elected and everybody finds themselves in the grip of a Hugo Chavez regime...


149 posted on 02/12/2007 7:45:21 AM PST by Mrs_Schwerin
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