Posted on 02/15/2007 11:28:06 AM PST by Mobile Vulgus
Even if you just scan the original article (which is definitely worth reading), please read post #10 (click here) in the context of the article.
Nicely summarized and very important info, in my humble opinion.
Correction, only one hit on a government only search, that is.
But, because of that I went directly to what could be a trove in the TERRORISM 2006, Special Bibliography.
And in the case of presidential politics, its the evil Mormons! Matter of fact, possibly a few of the Porter Rockwell (google it) crowd should pay a visit to a couple of the local mosques.
Savage did so the first day.
Has there been any mention of police doing further investigation of this 18 year old? Did he have, or have access to a computer? Did he have a cell phone? Have any of the press spoken to kids that know of him when he was in school? Where the heck did he store his weapons?
It's what I would call a "Chia beard."
Ping to post #10
In September joined a Monday night mixed bowling league as a "walk in" to be put on any team that needed a female bowler. I was placed with 2 young men, who I thought might be Italian or Greek by the complexions, but whose names I didn't recognize.
They are very nice, very young, 18 and 20 and very tolerant of my inconsistent scores. I couldn't recognize the language they sometimes spoke to each other. Since they were originally bowling with lane balls I suggested they asked for custom bowling balls for their birthdays or what ever holiday comes first.
When they said their holiday was about to end I realized it was Ramadan. I asked them about fasting during the day and whether it was a gift-giving holiday like Christmas or Hanakkah. They are very nice young men, one is a high school student, one is an apprentice plumber. The language they are speaking is "Yugoslavian". I guess they're either Serbian or Coatian or Bosnian, since I'm pretty sure there is no more Yugoslavia and am totally confused about what is left there.
They are very nice young men. I'm know there are psycho Muslims out there, just like there are of any other ethninity. Isn't it possible that this 18 year old mall shooter was just a disturbed teenager, not unlike the Columbine shooters? Perhaps the media isn't reporting a "terrorist" connection because there isn't?
Don't you think the media would have jumped all over the "terrorists among us" theme if there was any truth to that?
Well if the AP is 'fessing up to the PTSD story, it means the Radical Islam angle is much more likely, and the AP is looking to bury it under another explaination.
Of course, the MSM still doesn't admit that Muhammad and Malvo had any racial or religious motivation.
Mike Savage was all over it for the last couple of days.......
Are you saying that's what happened or ar you just speculating?
Of course there is zero evidence that religion had anything to do with this, or even that the boy or his family were practicing Muslims, and as the article notes Bosnian Muslims are not associated with the jihadist crap, and as far as I've ever heard, there is no radical Muslim activity in Salt Lake City or Utah. I've heard lots of other states and cities associated with investigations of radical mosques wannabe terrorist young male Muslims, but never a peep from Utah/SLC.
All the evidence points to this being just a messed up kid, possibly due to his early childhood in a violence-infested war zone and growing up with parents who were also traumatized by that experience. He's probably been a cultural misfit ever since he arrived in Utah, due to the foreignness of American culture and the close-knit Mormon-dominated community in Utah. Quite possibly his family discouraged him from getting involved in the LDS Church, due to their religious heritage (probably more important than theological convictions in the case of Bosnian Muslims), contributing to his social alienation, but I really doubt the "Muslim" angle had any more contribution than that.
While PC can go to far, I do see a benefit to not jumping to conclusions abotu religious motivation every time a Muslim does something bad. Lots of Muslims are no more religiously zealous than Unitarians or agnostics, but there is a large, well-funded, and dangerous Muslim constituency that is eager to take advantage of any opportunity to convert peaceful or non-practicing Muslims to their extremist views. We play into their hands when we're quick to voice suspicion that events like this one are rooted in Muslim faith -- makes it that much easier for the extremists to cozy up to the peaceful Muslims and say "See how evil those infidels are! Always trying to blame Islam for bad things that happen in their country!".
Meantime, doubt 'Mulim' even resonates with majority of American's when hearing he is from Bosnia.
That said; why should the MSM be interested in telling the truth here. It surely does not serve their agenda in any way; to even 'go there'.
Remember growing up and how I felt sorry for the Russians who only were exposed to 'propaganda'. . .
Meantime, doubt 'Mulim' even resonates with majority of American's when hearing he is from Bosnia.
That said; why should the MSM be interested in telling the truth here. It surely does not serve their agenda in any way; to even 'go there'.
Remember growing up and how I felt sorry for the Russians who only were exposed to 'propaganda'. . .
Meantime, doubt 'Mulim' even resonates with majority of American's when hearing he is from Bosnia.
That said; why should the MSM be interested in telling the truth here. It surely does not serve their agenda in any way; to even 'go there'.
Remember growing up and how I felt sorry for the Russians who only were exposed to 'propaganda'. . .
The vast majority of crazed killers in the US are "Christian", meaning they grew up in a family that was at least nominally Christian. But we almost never see their religious affiliation mentioned unless they have explicitly cited it as a motivation and/or have been involved in "Christian" groups that promote violence (e.g. Timothy McVeigh). Why should we apply a different standard to Muslims? A list of violent acts committed by nominal Muslims isn't meaningful without a comparison list of violent acts committed by nominal Christians, Jews, Hindus, atheists, etc., and a breakdown of the representation of each in the population in question.
Newspapers should just report the facts and let the readers sort it all out.
Telling the facts of a story is not jumping to conclusions. 'Just the facts please' and I can conclude whatever I wish.
As for PC; why don't we just call it what it is. . .rather than what it is not. . .which is precisely the reason we have it. . .it is not a matter of going to far; but rather that we must suffer it's negative consequences by every measure. . .long or short.
Neal Boortz mentions it on the air and on his website.
OR. . .maybe he wanted a 'Columbine' fame. . .. But, he. . . whatever; perhaps a blogger will come up with the truth of the matter. Not sure even 'fair, balanced. . .and unafraid' will go here. I assume they took his computer and are checking out his favorite web-sites. . .
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