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A winning conservative platform for 2008?
Opinion | Jim Robinson

Posted on 02/19/2007 1:14:04 AM PST by Jim Robinson

Edited on 02/19/2007 2:20:11 AM PST by Jim Robinson. [history]

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1 posted on 02/19/2007 1:14:06 AM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

I agree!

We had a popular Conservative as POTUSA.
Next was a one term moderate.
Next was a two term traitor, who some people think was conservative.
Next was a two term moderate that squeaked by because the democrats nominees were very bad.
Now some people want a far left winger as the Republican nominee that most real democrats can beat because they can run to the right of IT.


2 posted on 02/19/2007 1:17:14 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Vote for RINOS, lose and complain by sending a self-abused stomped elephant.)
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To: Jim Robinson

"What say you?"


Jim Robinson for President!!!



Seriously, thank you for a very reasoned and major-item list.


3 posted on 02/19/2007 1:17:43 AM PST by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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How many FReepers actually believe this hogwash?

According to your recent poll only 14.1% of members support Rino Rudy.

Thank you for once again reminding FReepers that your site is intended to be conservative.

4 posted on 02/19/2007 1:19:11 AM PST by ASA Vet (The WOT should have been over on 9/12/01.)
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Anti-immigrant rhetoric is a loser.

EVERY candidate who ran on the issue got trounced.

Make anti-immigration a major part of your platform and you are doomed.

I am not saying avoid the issue and agree with your goals of strengthening the border, but I am telling you if you make it in ANY way a major focus you lose.


5 posted on 02/19/2007 1:23:05 AM PST by Mobile Vulgus
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I'm with you, Jim. No compromise!


6 posted on 02/19/2007 1:26:05 AM PST by OwenKellogg
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... oh and I forgot to say, you'll lose EVERY big state with many of the things on that platform. Without big states you lose.

Smaller govt is fine and so are lower taxes. Win the war is good. But all the anti-immigrant talk will sink you. It has already been proven. America is not quite mad enough to make anti-immigration a populist issue.

And conservatives alone CANNOT win an election.


7 posted on 02/19/2007 1:26:32 AM PST by Mobile Vulgus
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To: Jim Robinson

Loved 1 through 12, sent this post to everybody on my address list. Keep up the good work Jim.


8 posted on 02/19/2007 1:26:42 AM PST by garylmoore (Faith is the assurance of things unseen.)
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Regarding #10: Expand the economy using foreign labor? More NAFTA like treaties?



9 posted on 02/19/2007 1:29:48 AM PST by AZRepublican ("The degree in which a measure is necessary can never be a test of the legal right to adopt it.")
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I was told earlier this evening that it's impossible for a conservative to win the general election against Hillary Clinton

They're out in force, that's for sure.

If we have no faith in our own conservative principles and values why do we call ourselves conservatives?

A fair question that. Why don't you pose it to a few of Madame Gulianis supporters?

How many FReepers actually believe this hogwash?

Far too many. Some of them are becoming more than just a bit tiresome.

That the socially liberal Rudy Giuliani is the ONLY Republican who can (a) beat Hillary and (b) win the war.

Rudy isn't just 'socially liberal'. And he isn't the only one who can beat Hillary. She's essentially unelectable Jim. Nearly 40% of the people who were asked in a recent poll said they wouldn't vote for her under any circumstances.

We cannot advance conservatism by running a social liberal for the office of chief executive.

But but but Jim...he can win! And winning is the mostest importantest thing of all dontchaknow. Those silly principles thingies are like so last year.

I'd like to build a winning conservative platform with a dozen or so hard hitting no nonsense points that we can all agree on that would help us focus on our best potential primary nominee and one that can defeat Hillary, et al, in the general.

I like it but I think we can get it down to less than 10.

1.Win the war!

Nuff said here.

2.Secure the nation!
3.Secure the borders!
4.Stop the illegal aliens!

I think you can roll all this into "Secure The Borders".

5.Rebuild the military!

Yep.

6.Deal with growing threats! Iran, Syria, North Korea, China, (and an increasingly Muslim Russia and Europe?)!

Yep.

7.Cut government!
8.Cut spending!
9.Cut taxes!

Amen, Amen, Amen.

10.Allow the free economy to expand!

There's virtually no chance of any of these four if Rudy is elected. None. Zip. Zilch. Nada.

11.Return control of states issues to the states!

The 9th and 10th Amendments are dead, Jim. But it's nice to see that someone actually remembers to put flowers on their graves.

12.Defend life, liberty, property and individual rights!

How about 'support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic'. Maybe they could swear an oath or something when they take office.

L

10 posted on 02/19/2007 1:29:51 AM PST by Lurker (Europeans killed 6 million Jews. As a reward they got 40 million Moslems. Karma's a bitch.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Anti-immigrant rhetoric is a loser.

rhet·o·ric –noun
1. (in writing or speech) the undue use of exaggeration or display; bombast.


Speaking of rhetoric: The phrase "anti-immigrant"--They are the ones illegally invading OUR country!

11 posted on 02/19/2007 1:30:18 AM PST by joseph20
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"I was told earlier this evening that it's impossible for a conservative to win the general election against Hillary Clinton. That the socially liberal Rudy Giuliani is the ONLY Republican who can (a) beat Hillary and (b) win the war.

How many FReepers actually believe this hogwash?
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...next to none. The Giuliani campaign is virtually through, unless, maybe, he switches to Democrat registration really soon. Almost everyone will know about his political positions.

Calling Giuliani on his many lies
World Net Daily ^ | 19 February 2007 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 02/19/2007 12:01:25 AM PST by Spiff
12 posted on 02/19/2007 1:30:19 AM PST by familyop (Essayons)
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Good post! I was just telling someone tonight that yours is a "conservative" site.
Thank you for pointing this out once again!

I say we catch them at the borders and deport them.

I say we do not allow them to cross the border in the first place!!!

P.S. DUNCAN HUNTER

13 posted on 02/19/2007 1:31:11 AM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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The war will be our downfall....I don't think we can "Win" it....Islam and the Arabs can't or won't embrace what it takes to have a stable country.


14 posted on 02/19/2007 1:31:26 AM PST by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: joseph20

Nice try, but how do you explain that NO candidate has won with the issue.

Bury your head in the sand all you want.

IT'S A LOSER.


15 posted on 02/19/2007 1:32:22 AM PST by Mobile Vulgus
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To: Just A Nobody

Right Now, Duncan Hunter and possibly Newt seem to be our only options.

I've volunteered for Duncan's campaign ;-)


16 posted on 02/19/2007 1:32:54 AM PST by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Anti illegal immigration. I think you'd better take a poll and see how many Americans are fed up. How can you possibly win a war against terrorism and crime with wide open borders.

The people of California, one of the most liberal nations in the country, have passed laws to fight illegal immigration and pandering of same. Too bad the liberal courts overruled us. And in a very recent election, the Democrat ran on a pro illegal immigrant platform. The one good thing Arnie did was to oppose that, and he won in a landslide. Don't tell me it won't work. California will go for the platform I posted above. The people are fed up.

17 posted on 02/19/2007 1:34:13 AM PST by Jim Robinson (If the party runs a social liberal for president it's a kick in the teeth to its conservative base.)
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Excellent post, Jim!

I agree with every point you make. I would, for the sake of brevity, boil them down for soundbite status thusly:

1)strength against Islamic terrorism: win the Iraq war, and clear statement of defense against this menace everywhere
2)impregnable borders: close them, and then deal with illegal immigration, including the US employees
3)oppose abortion, homosexual marriage, stem cell research, assisted suicide: stand firmly with Christian principles - PRO-FAMILY
4)shrink the federal government: especially in education and the myriad other programs

Is there not a Republican candidate who can run successfully on these issues?
18 posted on 02/19/2007 1:34:16 AM PST by jobim
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LOL. nations = states


19 posted on 02/19/2007 1:34:59 AM PST by Jim Robinson (If the party runs a social liberal for president it's a kick in the teeth to its conservative base.)
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That the socially liberal Rudy Giuliani is the ONLY Republican

I am not a republican, I am a conservative. I would vote for Zell Miller as a democrat before I'd vote for any of the current media appointed republican front runners.

20 posted on 02/19/2007 1:35:53 AM PST by bad company (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous)
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