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Calling Giuliani on his many lies
World Net Daily ^ | 19 February 2007 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 02/19/2007 12:01:25 AM PST by Spiff

Calling Giuliani on his many lies

Posted: February 19, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern

Directly contradicting his previous position, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, told radio talk-show host Sean Hannity he opposed federal gun control laws, preferring to leave the matter to states and municipalities.

"I've said all along that what's right for New York might not be right for Texas," he said in the interview in which he said he supported the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms.

But that's not what Giuliani has said all along.

When he presided over the city government of New York, with some of the strictest gun-control measures in the country, Giuliani strongly advocated Washington take the lead on the issue.

"We need a federal law that bans all assault weapons, and if in fact you do need a handgun you should be subjected to at least the same restrictions – and really stronger ones – that exist for driving an automobile," he said in 1997.

As mayor, Giuliani participated in a city lawsuit against the gun industry.

"This is an industry that is profiting from the suffering of innocent people," he said in 2000. "What’s worse, its profits rest on a number of illegal and immoral practices. This lawsuit is meant to end the free pass that the gun industry has so long enjoyed."

And that's just the beginning of the way Giuliani has tried to redefine himself in hopes of winning the Republican presidential nomination.

While still touting his "pro-choice" stand on abortion, he is now trying to claim he opposes partial-birth abortions and supports parental consent laws.

Not so in 1999. When he was asked whether he would support a ban on partial-birth abortions, he told CNN: "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position changing." As if to underline his hard-line stand on social issues, he said: "I'm pro-choice. I'm pro-gay rights."

Now he tries to take a nuanced stance against same-sex marriage. Yet he steadfastly opposed the "Defense of Marriage Act," saying in 2004 on "Meet the Press": "I certainly wouldn't support (a ban on same-sex marriage) at this time."

You probably won't hear Giuliani make this statement, again, but he did say it in 1996 to the New York Post's Jack Newfield: "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine."

Won't that be reassuring if he should be the Republican alternative to Hillary Clinton in 2008? And while he's sugar-coating his record and his positions now as he seeks to lead the Republican Party, it's clear that he was telling the truth in 1996 and lying now.

Take a look at his record:

Abortion: Supports

Taxpayer support of abortion: Supports

Embryonic stem cell research: Supports

Federal marriage amendment: Opposes

Same-sex domestic partnerships and civil unions: Supports

Open homosexuals in the military: Supports

Amnesty for illegal aliens: Supports

Tough penalties for employers of illegal aliens: Opposes

Sanctuary cities that ignore immigration law: Supports

What is the difference between Giuliani and Clinton? Is it style? It certainly isn't substance.

Is it simply that Giuliani doesn't wear a dress? Whoops! No, it can't be that. America's mayor is fond of publicly dressing in drag, too.

So what is it? Will the real Giuliani please stand up? Are we going to let this guy reinvent himself the way Mitt Romney has? Aren't we all smart enough to understand what this game is all about?

If you support Giuliani or John McCain or Romney as an alternative to Hillary or Obama, you're going to get what you deserve – and that is no choice at all.

There's a long time before the parties choose their nominees. Let's make the most of it and search for men of principle and conviction, not flip-flops and deceit.



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Joe Farah has definitely been reading Free Republic and getting his material from us. In fact, his list of Giuliani's "Supports/Opposes" views looks very similar to mine. I mean, look at the order in which the items are presented.

His list:

Abortion: Supports

Taxpayer support of abortion: Supports

Embryonic stem cell research: Supports

Federal marriage amendment: Opposes

Same-sex domestic partnerships and civil unions: Supports

Open homosexuals in the military: Supports

Amnesty for illegal aliens: Supports

Tough penalties for employers of illegal aliens: Opposes

Sanctuary cities that ignore immigration law: Supports

My list:

Giuliani/Clinton/Dem vs. GOP Platform Comparison
Issue
Giuliani Clinton Dem Platform GOP Platform
Abortion on Demand Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Partial Birth Abortion Supports
Opposed
NY ban
Supports Supports Opposes
Roe v. Wade Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Taxpayer Funded Abortions Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Embryonic Stem Cell Research Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Federal Marriage Amendment Opposes Opposes Opposes
Defined at
state level
Supports
Gay Domestic Partnership/
Civil Unions
Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Openly Gay Military Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Defense of Marriage Act Opposes Opposes Opposes Supports
Amnesty for Illegal Aliens Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Special Path to Citizenship
for Illegal Aliens
Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Tough Penalties for
Employers of Illegal Aliens
Opposes Opposes Opposes Supports
Sanctuary Cities/
Ignoring Immigration Law
Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Protecting 2nd Amendment Opposes
Opposes Opposes
Supports bans
Supports
Confiscating Guns Supports
Confiscated
as mayor.
Even bragged.
Supports Supports
Supports bans
Opposes
'Assault' Weapons Ban Supports Supports Supports  
Frivolous Lawsuits
Against Gun Makers
Supports
Filed One
Himself
Supports   Opposes
Gun Registration/Licenses Supports Supports   Opposes
War in Afghanistan Supports Supports
Voted for it
Supports Supports
War in Iraq Supports Supports
Voted for it
Supports
Weak support
Supports
Patriot Act Supports Supports
Voted for it
2001 & 2006
Opposes Supports
"Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." - Rudy Giuliani

His list is in exactly the same order as my list and he even uses a lot of the same wording. I'm glad the research I did on Giuliani's views is getting out there. Use my stuff all you want. I'm only trying to get the word out on Giuliani and the other liberals in the race.

Hey, Joe, if you're reading this. Good job. Now, do a piece on Giuliani's quotes on Partial Birth Abortion that I've posted numerous times. The "firm" support for partial birth abortion comment that he made to George Will in 2000 should do some real damage if it gets out there where it needs to get.

1 posted on 02/19/2007 12:01:28 AM PST by Spiff
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To: dirtboy; EternalVigilance; Reagan Man; TitansAFC; narses; dmw; don-o; DocH; Jim Robinson; Liz; ...

PING


2 posted on 02/19/2007 12:02:55 AM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Spiff

3 posted on 02/19/2007 12:05:07 AM PST by ASA Vet (The WOT should have been over on 9/12/01.)
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To: Spiff
I've been out of country and off FR for a couple weeks.
Are the same 12% of Freepers still supporting thier Rino?
4 posted on 02/19/2007 12:06:19 AM PST by ASA Vet (The WOT should have been over on 9/12/01.)
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To: ASA Vet

I don't think he even qualifies as a a RINO. He's really a donk all the way.


5 posted on 02/19/2007 12:08:15 AM PST by EternalVigilance (“Let us raise a standard to which the wise and honest can repair; the rest is in the hands of God.”)
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To: ASA Vet
I've been out of country and off FR for a couple weeks. Are the same 12% of Freepers still supporting thier Rino?

Yes. It's the same bunch of creeps that supported RINO Arnold SchwartzenKennedy in the California recall election in 2003. Now they want the entire country to suffer under a liberal RINO instead of just California.

6 posted on 02/19/2007 12:08:36 AM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Spiff

The only guy who doesn't flip flop and seems nearly the perfect conservative is that guy Duncan Hines.
I think I'll vote for him.


7 posted on 02/19/2007 12:17:28 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Spiff
Can you provide me some documentation on the Guliani Gun Confiscations?

Thanks in advance.

L

8 posted on 02/19/2007 12:20:48 AM PST by Lurker (Europeans killed 6 million Jews. As a reward they got 40 million Moslems. Karma's a bitch.)
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To: Spiff

Joe Farah plagiarizing!

He should at least give you credit.

Maybe a cash advance.


9 posted on 02/19/2007 12:22:37 AM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support, promote or vote for liberals.)
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To: Spiff
I salute you my FRiend:
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'Stay on target...stay on target...STAY ON TARGET!'
- 'Gold Five' - Star Wars Episode IV (1977)
10 posted on 02/19/2007 12:25:18 AM PST by mkjessup (If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
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To: Spiff
The Giuliani campaign is essentially done, then.

From WorldNetDaily

It is a Top 500 website, according to Alexa.com, the search and ratings agency affiliate of Amazon.com, and the No. 1 independent newssite. WorldNetDaily currently attracts nearly 5 million unique visitors a month and more than 40 million pageviews, according to its own internal monitoring software.


I've watched the WND Alexa.com stats, and it gets an enormous amount of traffic. It's a Catholic perspective site, BTW, although Joseph works to also attract readers from other interests.
11 posted on 02/19/2007 12:29:45 AM PST by familyop (Essayons)
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To: Spiff
Well, between the Beast and Rudy, I will gladly and most reptitively vote for Rudy.

No one can beat the Beast other than Rudy. Sorry.

12 posted on 02/19/2007 12:33:28 AM PST by Dave W
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To: Spiff

LOL! I wonder if the Giuliani herd will accuse Farah of posting "spam" on his site now!

And I forgive him--as long as he won't do it again--for publishing Buchanan's garbage. ...but only because he wrote the good piece above this thread. [g]


13 posted on 02/19/2007 12:35:33 AM PST by familyop (Essayons)
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To: Lancey Howard

I believe you mean Duncan Hunter of Calif. Duncan Hines manufactures desserts.


14 posted on 02/19/2007 12:44:08 AM PST by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: Dave W
No one can beat the Beast other than Rudy. Sorry.

Bull.

Hillarys negatives are upwards of 40%. She is essentially unelectable.

L

15 posted on 02/19/2007 12:50:43 AM PST by Lurker (Europeans killed 6 million Jews. As a reward they got 40 million Moslems. Karma's a bitch.)
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To: Dave W

At this point in the game...if the Republican "true" candidate is McCain...then the race is finished. McCain can't beat Hillary and the vast audience knows that. If you count the electoral college race...she can carry most of the big "seven" states...with the exception of Florida and Texas. I can only see McCain carrying the red states of the south...to a fairly dismal popular vote situation.

If you use Rudy as the candidate...then the electoral college race shifts drastically. New York is Rudy's home ground. He can debate Hillary there and whoop her on any state topic. She won't be able to fight back. If you look across at the western states...Rudy can probably carry most of them. Hillary gets California and the coastal states as easy targets and that wraps up her run.

My guess is that the Republican race will be like the democratic race of 1860...where Douglas could never get the members of his own party to stand up together....so they split...and lost the race to Lincoln. A united Democratic party in 1860...could have easily won the race for Douglas.


16 posted on 02/19/2007 12:51:03 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: Dave W

We had a popular Conservative as POTUSA.
Next was a one term moderate.
Next was a two term traitor, who some people think was conservative.
Next was a two term moderate that squeaked by because the democrats nominees were very bad.
Now some people want a far left winger as the Republican nominee that most real democrats can beat because they can run to the right of IT.


17 posted on 02/19/2007 12:58:06 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Vote for RINOS, lose and complain by sending a self-abused stomped elephant.)
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To: Dave W
Well, between the Beast and Rudy, I will gladly and most reptitively vote for Rudy. No one can beat the Beast other than Rudy. Sorry.

A shame to see an intelligent Freeper run up the white flag of surrender more than a year away from Election Day in November '08.

Why are you so eager to drink that MSM Koolaid they're shoving at us?
18 posted on 02/19/2007 1:00:02 AM PST by mkjessup (If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
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To: Spiff

Bush.

thanks a lot for throwing the
Republican majority away


19 posted on 02/19/2007 1:04:32 AM PST by greasepaint
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To: greasepaint
Didn't Ralph Nader cause a win for the Republicans? We should support a Leftist 3rd-party candidate so that Rudy (or any Republican) can win.

Did you see the pretty-good numbers for Gingrich? (Not that his numbers will budge any—ever).

20 posted on 02/19/2007 1:27:59 AM PST by Eclectica (Ask your MD about Evolution. Please!)
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To: Dave W
No one can beat the Beast other than Rudy.

"How many FReepers actually believe this hogwash?" Jim Robinson

21 posted on 02/19/2007 1:31:02 AM PST by ASA Vet (The WOT should have been over on 9/12/01.)
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To: Spiff

That list was the first information that I had on Guiliani's stance on ANY issue other than the WOT. Good job, and thanks. I had heard that Rudy was a "moderate" Republican... now I see how he earned that label. I'll rot in Hell before I vote for him.


22 posted on 02/19/2007 1:50:57 AM PST by jim35 ("...when the lion and the lamb lie down together, ...we'd better damn sure be the lion")
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To: Dave W

[No one can beat the Beast other than Rudy. Sorry.]

You're throwing in the towel before the bell has rung. It's still a LONG time before any election. Don't count your chickens, just yet.

And really... how much better is Rudy than Hildabeast, anyway?


23 posted on 02/19/2007 1:54:09 AM PST by jim35 ("...when the lion and the lamb lie down together, ...we'd better damn sure be the lion")
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To: Spiff
Julie-Annie recently told radio talk-show host Sean Hannity he "opposed" federal gun control laws (preferring to leave the matter to states and municipalities).

Heavens, is Julie-Annie a "convert" ---- abandoning his jihad to decimate the Second Amendement?

Not to worry. Now that candidate Julie has learned, to his horror, that he needs social conservatives to make a good primary showing, Julie will be having sporadic "Come to Jesus" moments.

However, these are temporary blackouts. Julie will have no memory of these if, by some fluke, he ever gets near our WH.

24 posted on 02/19/2007 2:59:03 AM PST by Liz (Nearly all men can stand adversity, but to test a man's character, give him power. Abe Lincoln)
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To: Spiff

Cool.

Good work on the table. That really makes it clear.


25 posted on 02/19/2007 3:36:18 AM PST by FreePoster
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To: fish hawk

What about a Duncan Hines/Betty Crocker ticket?

;^)


26 posted on 02/19/2007 3:41:35 AM PST by elcid1970
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To: Lurker

27 posted on 02/19/2007 3:44:24 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Vaquero
Spiff mentioned some gun confiscations that took place under Guliani. I want to hear more details about that.

L

28 posted on 02/19/2007 3:47:06 AM PST by Lurker (Europeans killed 6 million Jews. As a reward they got 40 million Moslems. Karma's a bitch.)
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To: Dave W

Anyone who thinks Hitlery Clintong is the be all, end all of the '08 election has already conceded defeat...


29 posted on 02/19/2007 3:48:47 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Dave W
No one can beat the Beast other than Rudy.

No.

No one can beat the BeastSPLIT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND HAND hillary THE PRESIDENCY ON A SILVER PLATTER otherLIKE than Rudy.

30 posted on 02/19/2007 3:59:51 AM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: Dave W
Well, between the Beast and Rudy, I will gladly and most reptitively vote for Rudy.

Of course. But that's not the point!! The point is to make sure this RINO doesn't make it to being nominated as the Republican presidential canidate.

For goodness sake when are you people gonna get it? I don't like the fact that these Sit -Outs put us into this current political position, but NOW we have the opportunity to hold Repubs FULLY accountable. They either get it done, or we will kick their sorry asses out! We have to put up a CONSERVATIVE and right now that looks like Newt or Hunter. No more of these "Put-Up-With- If," canidates.

No More rinos!!!

31 posted on 02/19/2007 4:03:47 AM PST by sirchtruth (No one has the RIGHT not to be offended...)
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To: Lurker
His words say it all......he did set the ball rolling for suing manufacturers that his predecessor carried the ball to fruition on.
32 posted on 02/19/2007 4:08:13 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Spiff

Sure would like to be in the room when The Rudester and his handlers compile Rudy's Pucker List.

Who will Rudy pucker-up to next?

We should make book on which voting bloc gets Rudy on his knees next for a full-blown Rudy pucker.


33 posted on 02/19/2007 4:09:20 AM PST by Liz (Nearly all men can stand adversity, but to test a man's character, give him power. Abe Lincoln)
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To: Spiff
RINO-rudy:if in fact you do need a handgun

and just WHO decides this, potentially, life and death, Constitutionally-based decision for each individual citizen?

YOU, RINO-rudy, you arrogant, elitist a**hole? And as you go through your life 24/7/365 with security armed with all sorts of communications equipment and firearms, and other means of protecting your sorry a**?

YOUR going to have to pay for all that security prick, because WE'RE NOT going to put you in the White House where our hard-earned tax dollars are going to have to foot the bill for it.

34 posted on 02/19/2007 4:16:59 AM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: Lurker



New York City Sues Gun Industry
By Mayor Rudy Giuliani

On June 20th, I was pleased to announce that the City of New York filed a lawsuit against two dozen major gun manufacturers and distributors. This is an industry which profits from the suffering of innocent people. The lawsuit is intended to end the free pass that the gun industry has enjoyed for a very long time, which has resulted in too many avoidable deaths. The suit alleges a number of illegal practices on the part of the gun manufacturers, including:

* Deliberately manufacturing many more firearms than can be bought for legitimate purposes such as hunting and law enforcement, and knowingly targeting these excess guns to criminals, youths and other persons unqualified to buy firearms;
* Deliberately undermining New York City's gun control laws by flooding other markets which have less stringent gun laws with firearms that the manufacturers know are destined to be illegally resold in New York City;
* Ignoring the illegal practices of gun distributors, many of whom openly engage in the above practices;
* Refusing to manufacture safer guns, with features such as trigger locks and "personalization" measures that allow only authorized persons to fire the weapon.

More than 30,000 Americans each year - including 4,200 children - die because of gun violence. In addition, the city has found evidence of advertisements by gun manufacturers that claim their guns don't show fingerprints. This feature serves no purpose unless the user is intending to use the weapon for illegal purposes.

It is our hope that this suit will result in substantial financial awards to the City for the many ways in which illegal practices and illegal guns harm New Yorkers; including the $17 million dollars each year that are spent by the City's Health and Hospitals Corporation treating gun-shot wounds.

Over the past six years, New York City has reduced crime and murder more than any City in the nation. Our success has been built, in large part, on the tireless efforts of the Police Department to remove guns from our streets. But 95% of the guns that our police seize come from outside the City of New York. Their job of keeping New York safe is made considerably more difficult because of less restrictive guns laws in other parts of the nation and because of the illegal and immoral practices of the gun industry. This lawsuit is an aggressive step towards restoring accountability to an industry that profits from the suffering of others.


35 posted on 02/19/2007 4:18:16 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Lurker



New York City Sues Gun Industry
By Mayor Rudy Giuliani

On June 20th, I was pleased to announce that the City of New York filed a lawsuit against two dozen major gun manufacturers and distributors. This is an industry which profits from the suffering of innocent people. The lawsuit is intended to end the free pass that the gun industry has enjoyed for a very long time, which has resulted in too many avoidable deaths. The suit alleges a number of illegal practices on the part of the gun manufacturers, including:

* Deliberately manufacturing many more firearms than can be bought for legitimate purposes such as hunting and law enforcement, and knowingly targeting these excess guns to criminals, youths and other persons unqualified to buy firearms;
* Deliberately undermining New York City's gun control laws by flooding other markets which have less stringent gun laws with firearms that the manufacturers know are destined to be illegally resold in New York City;
* Ignoring the illegal practices of gun distributors, many of whom openly engage in the above practices;
* Refusing to manufacture safer guns, with features such as trigger locks and "personalization" measures that allow only authorized persons to fire the weapon.

More than 30,000 Americans each year - including 4,200 children - die because of gun violence. In addition, the city has found evidence of advertisements by gun manufacturers that claim their guns don't show fingerprints. This feature serves no purpose unless the user is intending to use the weapon for illegal purposes.

It is our hope that this suit will result in substantial financial awards to the City for the many ways in which illegal practices and illegal guns harm New Yorkers; including the $17 million dollars each year that are spent by the City's Health and Hospitals Corporation treating gun-shot wounds.

Over the past six years, New York City has reduced crime and murder more than any City in the nation. Our success has been built, in large part, on the tireless efforts of the Police Department to remove guns from our streets. But 95% of the guns that our police seize come from outside the City of New York. Their job of keeping New York safe is made considerably more difficult because of less restrictive guns laws in other parts of the nation and because of the illegal and immoral practices of the gun industry. This lawsuit is an aggressive step towards restoring accountability to an industry that profits from the suffering of others.


36 posted on 02/19/2007 4:18:41 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: DocH
YOURYOU'RE going to have to pay for all that security prick...(RINO-rudy)
37 posted on 02/19/2007 4:21:44 AM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: Spiff

I wholeheartedly support you effort to expose Rudy.

But don't lump all Arnold supporters in the pro-Rudy camp.

I supported Arnold because he is the best that California can do at this time. But America can do better than Rudy.


38 posted on 02/19/2007 4:27:20 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: Dave W

"No one can beat the Beast other than Rudy. Sorry."

- It seems you're the only sane person who decided to rise to the bait on this post. Don't you know that these kind of stories are reserved for the red meat right wing lunatic fringe?


39 posted on 02/19/2007 4:29:59 AM PST by finnigan2
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To: jim35
And really... how much better is Rudy than Hildabeast, anyway?

Not all that much. If the choice is between the two, I'll vote third party, since it doesn't really matter which left wing liberal is in charge. Ether one will do just as much harm. The R has come to mean less and less since Regan left office. And now we're down to where there isn't any substantive difference between D & R

40 posted on 02/19/2007 4:36:25 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: Spiff

Now he tries to take a nuanced stance against same-sex marriage. Yet he steadfastly opposed the "Defense of Marriage Act," saying in 2004 on "Meet the Press": "I certainly wouldn't support (a ban on same-sex marriage) at this time."


The more nuance Rudy tries, the more he sounds like John Kerry. A strong leader indeed.


41 posted on 02/19/2007 4:37:43 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Duncan Hunter: pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, pro-border control, pro-family)
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To: Spiff
on his many lies

.....wasnt this the same guy who said we needed to plug our noses and be faithful to the party rhis past election cycle?

prediction - rudy wins - McCain has a temper tantrum and Newt gets spanked

42 posted on 02/19/2007 4:45:38 AM PST by Revelation 911
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To: from occupied ga
The R has come to mean less and less since Regan left office.

And you expect to be taken seriously?

43 posted on 02/19/2007 4:58:48 AM PST by johnny7 ("We took a hell of a beating." -'Vinegar Joe' Stilwell)
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To: Spiff

He's a liberal, why is anyone surprised that he's lying about it?


44 posted on 02/19/2007 5:02:42 AM PST by deaconjim (Because He lives...)
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To: JulieRNR21
Ping!
45 posted on 02/19/2007 5:05:46 AM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have two speeds: "graze" and "stampede".)
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To: johnny7
And you expect to be taken seriously?

GYF nit picker

46 posted on 02/19/2007 5:07:00 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: EternalVigilance

Farah's a lunatic.


47 posted on 02/19/2007 5:31:09 AM PST by zarf (Her hair was of a dank yellow, and fell over her temples like sauerkraut......)
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To: Spiff

The way I heard this interview is that Rudy is in favor of gun control in some areas, while other localities don't need as much gun control.

In other words, he's in favor of individual rights for some citizens and opposed to individual rights for others.

That about right, Rudy?

(I kinda wish Shaun had posed the question that way. Instead he nodded off to sleep and went to the next topic.)


48 posted on 02/19/2007 5:32:50 AM PST by sergeantdave (Consider that nearly half the people you pass on the street meet Lenin's definition of useful idiot)
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To: Dave W

The latest poll shows Rudy losing to Hillary in his home state of New York by a landslide.

Sorry, try again.


49 posted on 02/19/2007 5:35:32 AM PST by sergeantdave (Consider that nearly half the people you pass on the street meet Lenin's definition of useful idiot)
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To: Lurker; Pharmboy
Spiff mentioned some gun confiscations that took place under Guliani. I want to hear more details about that.

Ask and you shall receive.

Also, talk to FReeper Pharmboy about how his guns were confiscated by Giuliani.

Archives of the Mayor's Press Office

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Date: Wednesday, August 1, 2001
Release #268-01


Contact: Sunny Mindel / Matthew Higgins
(212) 788-2958
View Mayor's
  Tom Antenen (DCPI) (212) 374-6700


MAYOR GIULIANI AND POLICE COMMISSIONER KERIK ANNOUNCE
MORE THAN 3,000 GUNS TAKEN OFF NEW YORK CITY STREETS
TO BE TURNED INTO SCRAP METAL

City Has Seized Almost 90,000 Guns Since 1994

Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani and Police Commissioner Bernard B. Kerik today announced that more than 3,000 guns taken off New York City streets will soon be turned into scrap metal. The New York Police Department recovered the guns over the last several months through a number of channels and the total includes guns that were used in the commission of crimes. The guns will be transported to an undisclosed location, where they will be smelted and the metal recycled. NYPD personnel will monitor every aspect of the entire process, until every gun has been destroyed.

"The Police Department's dramatic success in reducing crime is due in large part to its corresponding success in removing guns from City streets," the Mayor said. "More than 90,000 guns have been seized since 1994, and shootings have plummeted more than 74 percent. The NYPD's gun seizure success is also reflected in the murder rate, which has plummeted 65 percent since 1994, and is down another 11 percent this year over last year. The NYPD has also ensured that thousands of guns can never be used to commit a crime by destroying them and putting the metal to good use. Now, another 3,000 guns have been taken out of circulation -- permanently."

Police Commissioner Kerik said, "The destruction of these firearms is a very tangible reminder of the intensive efforts undertaken by the NYPD and the City to remove guns from our streets. Every gun taken out of circulation is one less gun that can be used to shoot an innocent citizen, gun down a hero cop, or carelessly end up in the hands of a child."

Including the guns to be destroyed following today's announcement, more than 7,371 guns will have been smelted this year to date. In 2000, the Police Department sent 8,278 guns to be smelted and turned into scrap metal.

www.nyc.gov

CLICK HERE for official video of gun confiscation press conference.

50 posted on 02/19/2007 5:42:32 AM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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