Calling Giuliani on his many lies

World Net Daily ^ | 19 February 2007 | Joseph Farah

[Spiff]

Calling Giuliani on his many lies

Posted: February 19, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern

Directly contradicting his previous position, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, told radio talk-show host Sean Hannity he opposed federal gun control laws, preferring to leave the matter to states and municipalities.

"I've said all along that what's right for New York might not be right for Texas," he said in the interview in which he said he supported the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms.

But that's not what Giuliani has said all along.

When he presided over the city government of New York, with some of the strictest gun-control measures in the country, Giuliani strongly advocated Washington take the lead on the issue.

"We need a federal law that bans all assault weapons, and if in fact you do need a handgun you should be subjected to at least the same restrictions – and really stronger ones – that exist for driving an automobile," he said in 1997.

As mayor, Giuliani participated in a city lawsuit against the gun industry.

"This is an industry that is profiting from the suffering of innocent people," he said in 2000. "What’s worse, its profits rest on a number of illegal and immoral practices. This lawsuit is meant to end the free pass that the gun industry has so long enjoyed."

And that's just the beginning of the way Giuliani has tried to redefine himself in hopes of winning the Republican presidential nomination.

While still touting his "pro-choice" stand on abortion, he is now trying to claim he opposes partial-birth abortions and supports parental consent laws.

Not so in 1999. When he was asked whether he would support a ban on partial-birth abortions, he told CNN: "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position changing." As if to underline his hard-line stand on social issues, he said: "I'm pro-choice. I'm pro-gay rights."

Now he tries to take a nuanced stance against same-sex marriage. Yet he steadfastly opposed the "Defense of Marriage Act," saying in 2004 on "Meet the Press": "I certainly wouldn't support (a ban on same-sex marriage) at this time."

You probably won't hear Giuliani make this statement, again, but he did say it in 1996 to the New York Post's Jack Newfield: "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine."

Won't that be reassuring if he should be the Republican alternative to Hillary Clinton in 2008? And while he's sugar-coating his record and his positions now as he seeks to lead the Republican Party, it's clear that he was telling the truth in 1996 and lying now.

Take a look at his record:

Abortion: Supports

Taxpayer support of abortion: Supports

Embryonic stem cell research: Supports

Federal marriage amendment: Opposes

Same-sex domestic partnerships and civil unions: Supports

Open homosexuals in the military: Supports

Amnesty for illegal aliens: Supports

Tough penalties for employers of illegal aliens: Opposes

Sanctuary cities that ignore immigration law: Supports

What is the difference between Giuliani and Clinton? Is it style? It certainly isn't substance.

Is it simply that Giuliani doesn't wear a dress? Whoops! No, it can't be that. America's mayor is fond of publicly dressing in drag, too.

So what is it? Will the real Giuliani please stand up? Are we going to let this guy reinvent himself the way Mitt Romney has? Aren't we all smart enough to understand what this game is all about?

If you support Giuliani or John McCain or Romney as an alternative to Hillary or Obama, you're going to get what you deserve – and that is no choice at all.

There's a long time before the parties choose their nominees. Let's make the most of it and search for men of principle and conviction, not flip-flops and deceit.

[Spiff]

Joe Farah has definitely been reading Free Republic and getting his material from us. In fact, his list of Giuliani's "Supports/Opposes" views looks very similar to mine. I mean, look at the order in which the items are presented.

His list:

Abortion: Supports

Taxpayer support of abortion: Supports

Embryonic stem cell research: Supports

Federal marriage amendment: Opposes

Same-sex domestic partnerships and civil unions: Supports

Open homosexuals in the military: Supports

Amnesty for illegal aliens: Supports

Tough penalties for employers of illegal aliens: Opposes

Sanctuary cities that ignore immigration law: Supports

My list:

Giuliani/Clinton/Dem vs. GOP Platform Comparison
Issue	Giuliani	Clinton	Dem Platform	GOP Platform
Abortion on Demand	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Partial Birth Abortion	Supports Opposed NY ban	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Roe v. Wade	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Taxpayer Funded Abortions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Embryonic Stem Cell Research	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Federal Marriage Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Defined at state level	Supports
Gay Domestic Partnership/ Civil Unions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Openly Gay Military	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Defense of Marriage Act	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Amnesty for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Special Path to Citizenship for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Tough Penalties for Employers of Illegal Aliens	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Sanctuary Cities/ Ignoring Immigration Law	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Protecting 2nd Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Supports bans	Supports
Confiscating Guns	Supports Confiscated as mayor. Even bragged.	Supports	Supports Supports bans	Opposes
'Assault' Weapons Ban	Supports	Supports	Supports
Frivolous Lawsuits Against Gun Makers	Supports Filed One Himself	Supports		Opposes
Gun Registration/Licenses	Supports	Supports		Opposes
War in Afghanistan	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports	Supports
War in Iraq	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports Weak support	Supports
Patriot Act	Supports	Supports Voted for it 2001 & 2006	Opposes	Supports

"Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." - Rudy Giuliani

His list is in exactly the same order as my list and he even uses a lot of the same wording. I'm glad the research I did on Giuliani's views is getting out there. Use my stuff all you want. I'm only trying to get the word out on Giuliani and the other liberals in the race.

Hey, Joe, if you're reading this. Good job. Now, do a piece on Giuliani's quotes on Partial Birth Abortion that I've posted numerous times. The "firm" support for partial birth abortion comment that he made to George Will in 2000 should do some real damage if it gets out there where it needs to get.

[Spiff]

PING

[ASA Vet]

[ASA Vet]

I've been out of country and off FR for a couple weeks.
Are the same 12% of Freepers still supporting thier Rino?

[EternalVigilance]

I don't think he even qualifies as a a RINO. He's really a donk all the way.

[Spiff]

I've been out of country and off FR for a couple weeks. Are the same 12% of Freepers still supporting thier Rino?

Yes. It's the same bunch of creeps that supported RINO Arnold SchwartzenKennedy in the California recall election in 2003. Now they want the entire country to suffer under a liberal RINO instead of just California.

[Lancey Howard]

The only guy who doesn't flip flop and seems nearly the perfect conservative is that guy Duncan Hines.
I think I'll vote for him.

[Lurker]

Can you provide me some documentation on the Guliani Gun Confiscations?

Thanks in advance.

L

[Reagan Man]

Joe Farah plagiarizing!

He should at least give you credit.

Maybe a cash advance.

[mkjessup]

I salute you my FRiend:

'Stay on target...stay on target...STAY ON TARGET!'
- 'Gold Five' - Star Wars Episode IV (1977)

[familyop]

The Giuliani campaign is essentially done, then.

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[Dave W]

Well, between the Beast and Rudy, I will gladly and most reptitively vote for Rudy.

No one can beat the Beast other than Rudy. Sorry.

[familyop]

LOL! I wonder if the Giuliani herd will accuse Farah of posting "spam" on his site now!

And I forgive him--as long as he won't do it again--for publishing Buchanan's garbage. ...but only because he wrote the good piece above this thread. [g]

[fish hawk]

I believe you mean Duncan Hunter of Calif. Duncan Hines manufactures desserts.

[Lurker]

No one can beat the Beast other than Rudy. Sorry.

Bull.

Hillarys negatives are upwards of 40%. She is essentially unelectable.

L

[pepsionice]

At this point in the game...if the Republican "true" candidate is McCain...then the race is finished. McCain can't beat Hillary and the vast audience knows that. If you count the electoral college race...she can carry most of the big "seven" states...with the exception of Florida and Texas. I can only see McCain carrying the red states of the south...to a fairly dismal popular vote situation.

If you use Rudy as the candidate...then the electoral college race shifts drastically. New York is Rudy's home ground. He can debate Hillary there and whoop her on any state topic. She won't be able to fight back. If you look across at the western states...Rudy can probably carry most of them. Hillary gets California and the coastal states as easy targets and that wraps up her run.

My guess is that the Republican race will be like the democratic race of 1860...where Douglas could never get the members of his own party to stand up together....so they split...and lost the race to Lincoln. A united Democratic party in 1860...could have easily won the race for Douglas.

[HuntsvilleTxVeteran]

We had a popular Conservative as POTUSA.
Next was a one term moderate.
Next was a two term traitor, who some people think was conservative.
Next was a two term moderate that squeaked by because the democrats nominees were very bad.
Now some people want a far left winger as the Republican nominee that most real democrats can beat because they can run to the right of IT.

[mkjessup]

Well, between the Beast and Rudy, I will gladly and most reptitively vote for Rudy. No one can beat the Beast other than Rudy. Sorry.

A shame to see an intelligent Freeper run up the white flag of surrender more than a year away from Election Day in November '08.

Why are you so eager to drink that MSM Koolaid they're shoving at us?

[greasepaint]

Bush.

thanks a lot for throwing the
Republican majority away

[Eclectica]

Didn't Ralph Nader cause a win for the Republicans? We should support a Leftist 3rd-party candidate so that Rudy (or any Republican) can win.

Did you see the pretty-good numbers for Gingrich? (Not that his numbers will budge any—ever).