A Message to Rudy Giuliani and His Supporters (VANITY)

Self | February 23, 2007 | Alberta's Child

[JDoutrider]

Time to get more Popcorn BUMP!

[Beagle8U]

You wrote a great article ( I wont refer to it as a vanity because it was much more) that stated the facts in clear terms everyone should understand.

I read a few posts that stated you as a Canadian should stick to politics there. I personally don't know if you vote in the US or not. If you are in fact in Canada you just give me another reason for liking my "Northern Brothers" more than I already did!

[Liz]

.......basic character, integrity, and judgment issues are non-negotiable for me. An honest man can change his positions over time, happens all the time, a DISHONEST man WILL change his positions in time, (when it is required in order to get what he really wants), but a person cannot easily and readily change who they really are....

Worth repeating.

Voters expect candidates to fine-tune their positions as an elections approaches.

However, we don't accept candidates lying to us about crucial issues.

In Giuliani's case, it appears he is being cued by his handlers to make measured statements to hike his poll numbers.

The name of the game for Giuliani is to stay ahead no matter what he has to say to do it.

Most offensive are Giuliani's phony "Come to Jesus" moments that pander to conservatives.

Luckily these temporary blackouts of his don't last long. He soon reverts to type.

[dynachrome]

"effete, dysfunctional weirdo from New York City"
He's got my vote!

Signed, Michael Jackson

[Alberta's Child]

Very good post, daviddennis.

Please note that the focus on my "illegal immigration" point was not so much the issue itself, but Mr. Giuliani's brazen violation of Federal law on that specific issue.

You might also want to do some research on Mr. Kerik and see what his background really was. He was NYPD commissioner late in Giuliani administration (2000-01). He was Giuliani's personal bodyguard and driver when the really effective crime-fighting measures were being implemented early on.

The circumstances surrounding his removal from consideration as Homeland Security chief are also subject to a lot of misrepresentation. The reasons often cited for his removal are actually NOT the real reasons.

[Alberta's Child]

"They think I'm interesting!"

Yes, you are. LOL.

[Alberta's Child]

Thanks, Ghost!

[mmanager]

Alberta,
Thanks for the ping. I am a realist and looking at the history in the party, the guy that is leading a year before has been the nominee. I have to "cleanse" my heart knowing that I did everything possible to help A nominee that is not only a fiscal conservative but a social one as well. His stance on guns, abortion and gays is driving me NUTS, JUST, freak'n NUTS. IMO VIEW HE HIS IS NOW THE "GAG" CANDIDATE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY......GUNS-ABORTION-GAY------"GAG" CANDIDATE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
I truly at this point believe we as "true Conservatives" are going through a grieving period. If you look at recent polling, 30+ percent of registered republican voters do not believe abortion and gay marriage is a big deal. I believe the party is being redefined. Maybe that is why Rudy got in so early, knowing his "curb appeal" to general electorate but also knowing his polarizing views to the base. Let everyone cry and bleed, get the base used to "this is now our world" and get over it.

True, President Bush is pro-choice and has not made a difference in this area. True, President Bush is pro-gun, he is now faced with a Congress that can and is trying to make a change. The lesson here is Congress and State rights and the SCOTUS. Can Rudy impact that? Maybe.

Only an idiot will put their head in the sand and not recognize what the movement is in the country. This is reality and I do not believe it is "bump" in this election. I believe that his polling will only get stronger.

Reagan understood politics. The W.O.T. terror and POSSIBLY THREE SCOTUS are at stake. This is the REAL RE-DEFINING moment in history.

I am really torn. Hunter is the guy, reality says we should not waste resources or money. McVain and Romney has the same chance as I have.

Reality.....it's a bitch, put a stick in your mouth, bite down and take the pain. Take the pain!!!
VOTE FOR YOUR GAG CANDIDATE........Pepto-TUMS will help!

[Alberta's Child]

In many ways, a Giuliani nomination will redefine what it means to be a Republican. That redefinition would coincide with a sad defeat for conservative ideology.

Very good point, Flightdeck.

[fanfan]

Thanks for the ping, Beagle.

I'm marking this for a later read.

:-)

[Alberta's Child]

Thanks, Condor . . . I've enjoyed your posts on these threads, too!

[Alberta's Child]

Thanks, Airborne!

[Alberta's Child]

Thanks, Michael -- and I didn't mean to imply that Reagan was a fraud in any way, but I wanted to note that there was certainly some political value to having his attributes reinforced in the media.

[Alberta's Child]

I don't live in a zoo, I am not a monkey, so consequently, I DON'T NEED A ZOO-KEEPER!

LOL.

[Alberta's Child]

Great post, Leatherneck . . . one of many on this subject!

[Alberta's Child]

You are stupid! . . . At least Giuliani has said he will nominate conservative judges and that is where all this is decided anyway.

Is that you, Hannity?

[Alberta's Child]

Thank you, Mr. Ross!

[Alberta's Child]

Right on, El Laton Caliente!

[Beagle8U]

"I'm marking this for a later read"

I just had to get in a plug for my northern brothers, and if I can take the time to read good things about Steven Harper you can find some time to read this. ( big grin here)

[Alberta's Child]

Very good post, George. I have to disagree with you on a number of points, though.

First, he has a good record cutting taxes and fiscal conservatism.

This is probably the one issue where he's on very solid ground.

Second, he has a good record regarding national security . . .

No, he doesn't (despite the endless rhetoric we've heard on this issue). Rudy Giuliani was mayor of New York City for eight years, and has been outside of government for the last five. He has no record at all on national security -- other than his bizarre recommendation of Bernard Kerik for Homeland Security chief.

Third, Rudy was elected in a very liberal city, and while having some liberal positions, I contend that some consideration must be given for the timing of some of the statements made by Rudy. In some cases, these statements were made 15-20 years ago. You need to consider the context in which those statements were made.

I might give an elected official some leeway on this, but remember something here: Rudy Giuliani was prohibited under New York City law from running for a third term as mayor in 2001, so he had absolutely no need to pander to liberal voters in New York City after he was re-elected in 1997. His post-1997 track record is enough to disqualify him from any consideration as a "conservative" candidate.