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To: daviddennis; EternalVigilance; narses; dirtboy; Reagan Man; TitansAFC; Liz; jla; Antonious; ...
'Concerning the abortion and gun control issues, I've made a point in my posts that nobody's made a satisfactory response to. I just plain don't believe that Rudy or any other President is going to waste time on these issues, and so regardless of how I stand on them I will not base my support or opposition to a candidate on her or his positions on them. For this reason, I'm just not sure why people make such a fuss about them. President Bush, for example, is against abortion, but has he made a single move to change the law? Rudy Giuliani is for abortion, but I'd be shocked if he would mention the word even once as President. Why do we waste our time asking about issues that are never going to come up?

Many misguided FReepers keep repeating this canard that the President doesn't have much to do with the Abortion issue. That statement is simply FALSE.

Let's review SOME of what each President has done for or against abortion from Reagan to Bush II:

President Ronald Reagan 1981-1989:
“My administration is dedicated to the preservation of America as a free land, and there is no cause more important for preserving that freedom than affirming the transcendent right to life of all human beings, the right without which no other rights have meaning.” -President Ronald Reagan

President George H. W. Bush 1989-1993
“Since 1973, there have been about 20 million abortions. This a tragedy of shattering proportions.”

“The Supreme Court’s decision in Roe v. Wade was wrongly decided and should be overturned.” -President George H.W. Bush

President William Clinton 1993-2001
President Bill Clinton said he has “always been pro-choice” and has “never wavered” in his “support for Roe v. Wade.” “I have believed in the rule of Roe v. Wade for 20 years since I used to teach it in law school.”

President George W. Bush 2001-Present
“The promises of our Declaration of Independence are not just for the strong, the independent, or the healthy. They are for everyone -- including unborn children. We are a society with enough compassion and wealth and love to care for both mothers and their children, to see the promise and potential in every human life.” -President George W. Bush

This utterly disproves the false notion that the President never "wastes time" on the abortion issue or that he has no power at all one way or the other.

So, if any more FReepers make the same false argument that the President has little to do with the abortion issue, then they're going to get a copy of this posted in response.

And given Giuliani's past behavior on this issue, conservatives can only shudder to imagine what his record would be if he can fool enough voters into electing him to office.

186 posted on 02/23/2007 9:49:05 AM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Spiff
Great post, spiff!

Of course, since it cannot be disputed or countered, they will instead attempt to dismiss it as mere spam. While they create new threads for every politician, down to school board member, who comes out in support of Rudy.

189 posted on 02/23/2007 9:51:00 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: Spiff

Outstanding post, Spiff,

Thanks for another fine effort in creating another list of truthful accounts of the facts, as they exist in the historic record.

This will further drive the RudyBots bonkers! LOL


244 posted on 02/23/2007 10:20:12 AM PST by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Spiff
And given Giuliani's past behavior on the abortion issue, conservatives can only shudder to imagine what his record would be if he can fool enough voters into electing him to office.

He is joined at the hip with NARAL, Planned Parenthood, and the rest of the abortion savages. God only knows what they are planning behind closed doors to expand their "precious" abortion (gag) rights.

343 posted on 02/23/2007 11:31:04 AM PST by Liz (Hunter: For some candidates, a conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it is my hope.)
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To: Spiff
"This utterly disproves the false notion that the President never "wastes time" on the abortion issue or that he has no power at all one way or the other."

Just minutes ago we were discussing how many actions presidents take regarding the abortion issue and how good it would be to have a list of them. Thank you much for the work it took to compile the list.

580 posted on 02/23/2007 10:23:28 PM PST by TAdams8591 (Rudy is a democrat in Republican drag.)
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