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I could turn that around you know, and say that since you do find that sort of thing humorous, your perspective is called into question.

I'm sure it could be... It's perfectly acceptable to judge me by what I find funny. Humor says a lot about a person. :~)

What Rudy does for humor is Rudy's business, what his stance on major issues such as abortion, gun control, and gay rights, is what concerns me.Personally, I would like to see an adequate, reasonable defense for these issues addressed by a Republican Rudy supporter.

OK - I'll give what I think... don't know if it'll be considered adequate or reasonable :~)

Abortion: I don't see abortion as an issue that any candidate, pro life or not, has made much of a difference on in all my years of following politics. It generates a lot of heat in debate, but once elected, most politicians have pretty much done all they can to avoid the issue. If abortion is to end, I think it's much more likely it will be because of advances in medicine and technology than from any poll-watching politician. I just don't give it that much weight in political elections because it just hasn't seemed to matter that much either way. It's an issue that's all noise, not much action.

Gun control: Gun control is the issue where Rudy gives me the most pause because it affects me and is important to me. I'll be paying very close attention to what he says and does in this campaign on this issue. Personally, I think he probably has a big city attitude and aversion to guns that is common among city folk. But he's also said that NYC type gun control is a local decision not a federal one. I don't see him making any attempt to impose restrictions at the federal level, I think he believes it is a state and local issue. If he says or does otherwise, I'll argue he's wrong.

Gay rights: Just simply don't care. He says he doesn't want any kind of heterosexual marriage amendment to the constitution, frankly I agree. I don't want to see the constitution amended for such a stupid and petty reason.

Good response:)

Humor says a lot about a person. :~)

I agree.

On abortion. You're right there too. That doesn't make it right tho, IMO. Bush's lack of more aggressive action on this issue thus far, is one of the main reasons, my support of him has cooled considerably. But just because politicians do nothing about it, doesn't mean, to me, that it is not an issue to be considered. Who knows that if a Pro-Choice person got in they wouldn't get active on the issue...I can't take a risk like that. Life is too precious.

That's kind of the same thing I think about the gun control thing...why give the opposing side even the slightest chance to get into power on such an important issue....As you said, they can say one thing thru the campaign and do just the opposite once they get in.

I don't consider gay rights a stupid and petty issue. The moral fabric of this country is unraveling faster and faster, why add to it. Gays need to get back in the closet and stay there, and stop corrupting our children.

Becky

Abortion: I don't see abortion as an issue that any candidate, pro life or not, has made much of a difference on in all my years of following politics. It generates a lot of heat in debate, but once elected, most politicians have pretty much done all they can to avoid the issue.

You stepped in it:

Many misguided FReepers keep repeating this canard that the President doesn't have much to do with the Abortion issue. That statement is simply FALSE.

Let's review SOME of what each President has done for or against abortion from Reagan to Bush II:

President Ronald Reagan 1981-1989:
“My administration is dedicated to the preservation of America as a free land, and there is no cause more important for preserving that freedom than affirming the transcendent right to life of all human beings, the right without which no other rights have meaning.” -President Ronald Reagan

President Reagan supported legislation to challenge Roe v. Wade, the 1973 Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion on demand.
President Reagan adopted the “Mexico City Policy,” which cut off U.S. foreign aid funds to private organizations that performed and promoted abortion overseas.
The Reagan Administration cut off funding to the United Nations Fund for Population Activities (UNFPA) because that agency violated U.S. law by participating in China’s compulsory abortion program.
The Reagan Administration adopted regulations to prohibit federally funded “family planning” clinics from promoting abortion as a method of birth control.
The Reagan Administration blocked the use of federal funds for research using tissue from aborted babies.
The Reagan Administration helped win enactment of the Danforth Amendment which established that federally funded education institutions are not guilty of “sex discrimination” if they refuse to pay for abortions.
President Reagan introduced the topic of fetal pain into public debate.
The Reagan Administration played a key role in enactment of legislation to protect the right to life of handicapped newborns and signed the legislation into law.
President Reagan designated a National Sanctity of Human Life Day in recognition of the value of human life at all stages. President Reagan wrote a book entitled Abortion and the Conscience of a Nation, in which he made the case against legal abortion and in favor of overturning Roe v. Wade.

President George H. W. Bush 1989-1993
“Since 1973, there have been about 20 million abortions. This a tragedy of shattering proportions.”
“The Supreme Court’s decision in Roe v. Wade was wrongly decided and should be overturned.” -President George H.W. Bush

The Bush Administration urged the Supreme Court to overturn Roe v. Wade and allow states to pass laws to protect unborn children, stating “protection of innocent human life -- in or out of the womb -- is certainly the most compelling interest that a State can advance.”
President Bush opposed the “Freedom of Choice Act,” a bill which, he said, “would impose on all 50 states an unprecedented regime of abortion on demand, going well beyond Roe v. Wade.” The President pledged, “It will not become law as long as I am President of the United States.” President Bush vowed, “I will veto any legislation that weakens current law or existing regulations” pertaining to abortion. He vetoed 10 bills that contained proabortion provisions, including four appropriations bills which allowed for taxpayer funding of abortion.
President Bush vetoed U.S. funding of the UNFPA, citing the agency’s participation in the management of China’s forced abortion program.
President Bush strongly defended the “Mexico City Policy,” which cut off U.S. foreign aid funds to private organizations that performed and promoted abortion overseas. Three separate legal challenges to the policy by pro-abortion organizations were defeated by the Administration in federal courts.
President Bush prohibited 4,000 federally funded family planning clinics from counseling and referring for abortions.
President Bush steadfastly refused to fund research that encouraged or depended on abortion, including transplantation of tissues harvested from aborted babies.
The Bush Administration prohibited personal importation of the French abortion pill, RU-486.
The Bush Administration prohibited the performance of abortion on U.S. military bases, except to save the mother’s life and fought Congressional attempts to reverse this policy.

President William Clinton 1993-2001
President Bill Clinton said he has “always been pro-choice” and has “never wavered” in his “support for Roe v. Wade.” “I have believed in the rule of Roe v. Wade for 20 years since I used to teach it in law school.”

President Clinton urged the Supreme Court to uphold Roe v. Wade.
The Clinton Administration endorsed the socalled “Freedom of Choice Act,” (a bill to prohibit states from limiting abortion even if Roe v. Wade is overturned). FOCA was defeated in Congress.
The Clinton Administration urged Congress to make abortion a part of a mandatory national health insurance “benefits package,” forcing all taxpayers to pay for virtually all abortions. The Clinton Health Care legislation died in Congress.
President Clinton unsuccessfully attempted to repeal the Hyde Amendment, the law that prohibits federal funding of abortion except in rare cases.
President Clinton twice used his veto to kill legislation that would have placed a national ban on partial-birth abortions. President Clinton ordered federally funded family planning clinics to counsel and refer for abortion.
The Clinton Administration ordered federal funding of experiments using tissue from aborted babies. President Clinton’s appointees proposed using federal funds for research in which human embryos would be killed.
President Clinton ordered U.S. military facilities to provide abortions. President Clinton ordered his appointees to facilitate the introduction of RU 486 in the U.S.
The Clinton Administration resumed funding to the pro-abortion UNFPA, which participates in management of China’s forced abortion program.
President Clinton restored U.S. funding to pro-abortion organizations in foreign nations. His administration declared abortion to be a “fundamental right of all women,” and ordered U.S. ambassadors to lobby foreign governments for abortion.
The Clinton Administration’s representatives to the United Nations and to U.N. meetings worked to establish an international “right” to abortion.

President George W. Bush 2001-Present
“The promises of our Declaration of Independence are not just for the strong, the independent, or the healthy. They are for everyone -- including unborn children. We are a society with enough compassion and wealth and love to care for both mothers and their children, to see the promise and potential in every human life.” -President George W. Bush

During his first week in office, President Bush reinstated the Mexico City Policy, which prevents tax funds from being given to organizations that perform and promote abortion overseas. He threatened to veto an appropriations bill unless a provision overturning the policy was removed.
President Bush declared that federal funds will not be used for stem cell research that would require the destruction of human embryos. His threat of a veto stopped an attempt in the U.S. Senate to provide funding for such research.
President Bush has stopped many anti-life initiatives by threatening vetoes -- including proposals to allow abortion to be covered in federal employees’ health insurance plans, and allow abortions to be performed in U.S. military medical facilities and within the federal prison system.
The Bush Administration ruled that federally controlled substances cannot be used to assist suicides. When the decision was overturned in federal district court, the Administration appealed the case.
President Bush has strongly backed a U.S. ban on human cloning and helped defeat a “clone and kill” proposal in 2001.
President Bush has helped win U.S. House approval of pro-life measures including the Child Custody Protection Act and the Abortion Non-Discrimination Act.
President Bush promoted and signed the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, which protects all infants born alive, including those who survive abortion.
The Bush Administration’s representatives to the United Nations and to UN meetings and conferences have fought repeated efforts to establish an international “right” to abortion. President Bush promoted and signed the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act, which bans the use of the gruesome partial-birth abortion procedure.
President Bush supported and signed into law the Unborn Victims of Violence Act, which recognizes unborn children as victims of violent federal crimes.

This utterly disproves the false notion that, once elected, the President doesn everything to avoid the issue or that it doesn't matter much or see much action.