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Gun Remark Kills Outdoorsman's Career (WP)
The Washington Post ^ | 24 FEB 07 | Blaine Harden

Posted on 02/24/2007 5:18:52 PM PST by xsrdx

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To: Bob Mc

You can get a lahti 20mm anti-tank cannon, but you have to jump through the BATF hoops and pay through the nose for it.

But for regular old cannons, people have owned them as private citizens ever since the country was founded.


161 posted on 02/24/2007 8:00:56 PM PST by flashbunny (<----- Click here if you hate RINOs! 2008 GOP RINO cards!)
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To: flashbunny
"Why give people crap when they've selected what many think is the best rifle for the job?"

I've always thought, that people who criticize others on the type of firearm they own or use, are at best, elitist snobs, and at worst, fearful of their fellow citizens. Why else would they care?

I know several people who have firearms that I think are not good choices for their purpose. I would offer my advice if asked, but I would never condescend them.

162 posted on 02/24/2007 8:03:14 PM PST by Bob Mc
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To: barb-tex
Well the .222 Rem, which was developed as a varmit caliber became the .223 which was chosen as the military standard of the

You are going to have some nut thinking these two rounds interchange, they do not. The 223 cal. was developed for the AR15 , because Remington developed the 222 and to use it would have required paying Remington. Of the two the 222 is the better, mainly because the bolt action rifles it is chambered for have a different rifling twist than the one chambered for the 223. But in custom long guns all things are possible.

163 posted on 02/24/2007 8:04:13 PM PST by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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To: sit-rep
And this is Ted Nugent's post to the people coming down on Zumbo at Nugents Blog...

...if you don't accept his apology, get the hell away from my campfire..."

*********

A sad day it is...

I suspected that Nugent would regret getting mixed up in this, but I never figured the damage would be self-inflicted. Zumbo is now the equivalent of a leper to many gun enthusiasts, and Ted seems eager to walk alongside him, hollering out "Unclean!! Unclean!!".

Stay away from your campfire, Ted? Nooooo problem.

164 posted on 02/24/2007 8:04:25 PM PST by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: Spirochete
Honestly, I don't know. I "borrowed" the image from AR15.com.
165 posted on 02/24/2007 8:04:51 PM PST by Jonah Hex ("How'd you get that scar, mister?" "Nicked myself shaving.")
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To: holymoly; Melas
I'll part company with you on "assault weapon" versus "assault rifle".

"Gewehr" is more general than "rifle" - it comes from the verb "wehren" to resist or fight, and is thus closer to the general term "weapon" than the term for a specific weapon. A gun is a "Schießgewehr" - a "shooting weapon". A rifle in German is a "Büchse", as opposed to a "Schrotflinte" which is a shotgun (the name must be rather an old one as it appears to have originated when they still had flints!)

(you never know when 10 years of German (in jr high, high school, and college) is going to turn out useful. Any native speakers/shooters welcome to tell me where & if I've gone wrong . . .)

166 posted on 02/24/2007 8:07:12 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Eagles6
Mr. Zumbo and msnbc seem to be under the delusion, as many of the unwashed masses are, that the 2nd Amendment is about hunting.

No one seems to ask the question: Isn't it odd (if the 2nd Amendment is about hunting) that the Bill of Rights would have a clause about a sport? And if so, then why did it single out hunting and not mention other sports? Obviously, the 2nd Amendment is about a political right and it has nothing to do with somehow protecting a sport. The idea that the Bill of Rights was written in part to recognize sports is absurd.

167 posted on 02/24/2007 8:07:19 PM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: flashbunny
20mm? Hmmm. That's more like a really big gun.

I'm thinking, a piece that is on wheels pulled behind a truck, capable of a 20 mile range, with explosive rounds.

168 posted on 02/24/2007 8:07:22 PM PST by Bob Mc
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To: U S Army EOD
I think the use of nukes would be more appropriate.

Nukes are expensive overkill for prairie dogs. I reserve mine for spiders.

169 posted on 02/24/2007 8:10:54 PM PST by sphinx
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To: therut

You’re right, I don’t the difference between a 223 and a 22 caliber – actually, I’ve never hear of a 223.

My comment was meant to make a distinction between “hunting” and general firepower. When I hunt I always select what I consider to be appropriate – I’ve never hunted ground hogs, but I doubt that I select a high-powered assault weapon for that.

The original reason for this discussion was that a renowned sportsman didn’t think using assault weapons to hunt prairie dogs was appropriate. I agree with him.


170 posted on 02/24/2007 8:11:16 PM PST by Dale 1
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To: Mini-14

At least Private Pyle was a Marine!


171 posted on 02/24/2007 8:11:27 PM PST by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: AnAmericanMother

The modern infantry issue assault rifle, is hardly spray and pray. It's highly accurate selective fire weapon. Selective in this case typicaly being burst or semi-auto. Automatic selective fire weapons as you indicated weren't as effective as hoped.


172 posted on 02/24/2007 8:12:45 PM PST by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: freeplancer
Let's say the NRA is "extreme" for arguments sake. I like having an extreme element to balance out the leftist extremists.

Roger that. Can't give an inch to the grabber crowd. We've learned that lesson already.

LBT
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173 posted on 02/24/2007 8:12:58 PM PST by LiberalBassTurds (In the end, it's gonna come down to the guns.)
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To: billorites

I figure it's extremely unlikely you've been a sleeper troll for the last nine years.

Does this mean you aren't pleased with some NRA and Republican decisions / tactics?


174 posted on 02/24/2007 8:13:58 PM PST by labette ("Come,and let us reason together...")
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To: Bob Mc

Well explosive rounds are another problem - iirc there is a $200 destructive device 'tax' for everything that goes 'boom' outside a barrel.

Not sure if there is anything that outright bans modern artillery, but they would be over the .50 caliber limit and not a shotgun - therefore subject to more regulations.

Been a long time since I;ve read about cannon ownership but I believe old style cannons are allowed due to them being black powder devices.


175 posted on 02/24/2007 8:16:05 PM PST by flashbunny (<----- Click here if you hate RINOs! 2008 GOP RINO cards!)
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To: Dale 1

No one really "hunts" prairie dogs. They are not even good eating. We shoot them because they are rodent pests (like rats), damaging to property, prolific like rabbits, and are excellent target practice. So it is not unusual at all, that they are killed with a very large range of calibers and types of firearms. Who knows, maybe even dynamite.


176 posted on 02/24/2007 8:16:16 PM PST by Bob Mc
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To: Wonder Warthog
Actually, a guy named Petzal at Field and Stream did the same thing in 1993, and got away with it (at least until today---it appears the back-blast from Zumbo has recalled him to the active memory of the "black guns" community, and a similar ****storm is going on at HIS blog.

Belated, but well deserved.

Wow. I'll bet everyone who has typed out a Zumbo-ism is now cursing Al Gore for inventing this "Internet" thing. ;-)

177 posted on 02/24/2007 8:18:11 PM PST by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: xsrdx
...he publicly criticized the use of military-style assault rifles
by hunters, especially those gunning for prairie dogs.


It's deja vu all over again.

It feels like Jocelyn Elders and the Bill Clinton years all over again.
As in "let's use safer bullets".
As if the varmits care about whether they are terminated by
traditional varmit rifles or adapted modern arms.
178 posted on 02/24/2007 8:19:11 PM PST by VOA
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To: flashbunny

Yes, I've ready stories about these "cannon shoots". Sounds like fun.


179 posted on 02/24/2007 8:19:14 PM PST by Bob Mc
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To: AnAmericanMother
Well, crap. If I'm wrong I'm wrong. Everything I've read over the years has stated that "Sturmgewehr" translates literally as "Storm rifle".

Using Bablefish to translate "weapon" from English to German results in "Waffe".

It translates "wehren" as "resist".

And it translates "gewehr" as "rifle".

Not definitive, I know. Maybe we need someone fluent in German. ;)

180 posted on 02/24/2007 8:19:23 PM PST by holymoly (Molon Labe)
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