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To: Agitate
Because the government handles the permitting, it is everyone's business.

Which is why, according to the Constitution, it shouldn't be.

2 posted on 03/13/2007 1:54:09 PM PDT by Egon ("If all your friends were named Cliff, would you jump off them??" - Hugh Neutron)
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To: Egon

The "editorial writer" in question is a recent graduate of the University of Minnesota (!, lots in common with Virginia there) with a major in philosophy (another !). I thought editorial writers were supposed to have been around long enough to have gained some perspective and experience of the real world. Apparently not.


4 posted on 03/13/2007 1:59:17 PM PDT by 3AngelaD (ic.)
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To: Agitate
The Roanoke Times knew they screwed up when they posted the list of permit holders. Here is what's on the site now:

The Roanoke Times Removes Database of Handgun Permit Holders

March 12, 2007 — The Roanoke Times has decided to remove the online database of registered concealed handgun permit holders from its website.

The newspaper is requesting the Virginia State Police, which provided the information, verify the data.

“When we posted the information, we had every reason to believe that the data the State Police had supplied would comply with the statutes. But people have notified us that the list includes names that should not have been released,” said Debbie Meade, president and publisher of The Roanoke Times. “Out of a sense of caution and concern for the public we have decided to take the database off of our website.”

The database was posted on roanoke.com on Sunday as part of a New River Valley editorial page column about open records. This column, as well as others that will be published this week, is part of a special focus on Sunshine Week, a national initiative to raise awareness about open government and freedom of information.


8 posted on 03/13/2007 2:12:48 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: Agitate

I wonder if the writer will publish a list of welfare and food stamp recipients in the name of "sunshine".


9 posted on 03/13/2007 2:15:23 PM PDT by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: All

Here is a working link to Michelle Malkin's article:

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/007050.htm


12 posted on 03/13/2007 2:17:31 PM PDT by faq
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To: Egon
If gun control had any positive effect, then why are the cities that take away peoples rights for protection of the masses are become the killing fields of the nation? More people are killed in Washington D.C. than in Iraq. Illegal aliens kill more people than are killed in the military world wide in a year. Why are liberals such death mongers? Oops, I left out abortion.
13 posted on 03/13/2007 2:21:56 PM PDT by mountainlyons (Hard core conservative)
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Again, another Liberal completely misses the point of conceal and carry.

The idea is this: if unknown good guys are carrying weapons, the bad guys won't readily know who is and who isn't packing. The deterrence: they'll be afraid to do violence to anyone.

This means that conceal and carry is fundamentally safer for everyone than simple carry is.

Plus, it doesn't make the unarmed sheeple as nervous.

15 posted on 03/13/2007 2:24:06 PM PDT by Egon ("If all your friends were named Cliff, would you jump off them??" - Hugh Neutron)
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BTTT


20 posted on 03/13/2007 2:30:26 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Egon
A state that eagerly puts sex offender data online complete with an interactive map could easily do the same with gun permits, but it does not...

Christian Trejbal and other sex offenders obviously feel unfair treatment. He wants to be able to go out and buy a permit to commit sex offenses instead of committing them surreptitiously.

22 posted on 03/13/2007 2:40:10 PM PDT by Ghengis (Of course freedom is free. If it wasn't, it would be called expensivedom. ~Cindy Sheehan 11/11/06)
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To: Egon

In the same spirit of openness, somebody needs to post the arrest records and medical records of every employee of the Roanoke Times. I want made publicly known every drunk driver and every editor with Herpes. While we are at it, let's publish who failed to pay child support and who failed to repay their student loans.

We are sheep. The "right" to carry a firearm is no longer a right and has been made a "privelege" because some genertation before mine gave that right away a long time ago. If you need a piece of paper to exercise a right, then it isn't a right. I don't need a permit to speak.

Stinking bastards at the Roanoke Times. I hope everyone cancels their subscriptions.


25 posted on 03/13/2007 3:07:09 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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Last Sunday, its columnist Christian Trejbal published an online database of registered concealed handgun permit holders in the New River Valley under the sanctimonious guise of "Sunshine Week:"

This only partially correct. It was a list of all of the concealed handgun permit holders in the state. all 135,000 + of us.

29 posted on 03/13/2007 3:20:13 PM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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Already here. Lawful gun owners in Massachusetts must register with the Massachusetts Criminal History System Board and may not move without notifying the state. Liberals get a big yuk out of this.


31 posted on 03/13/2007 3:22:18 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: Egon

So will the same editor publish the names of people with AIDs who've been treated at government hospitals?

Or people who've had abortions...or is this new "sunshine" policy only about the Right while keeping the Left in the dark?


32 posted on 03/13/2007 3:24:56 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Egon
The surviving thread is here http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1799928/posts and includes a link in one of the posts to the Virginia Citizens Defense League (VCDL).

Note that the paper never said they had permanently pulled the database which allows one to search by last name and city for permit holders and gives their address and date of permit/expiration date, as well as other info.

They only 'pulled it to verify its accuracy'.

Keep in mind that in the northern part of the state, close to D.C., there are people in a variety of professions who relate to our National Security who may have permits and who may not generally make their street addresses known.

If anyone had been paying attention, these people, as well as those who may have been hiding from a range of threats such as gangs, terrorist organizations, rabid ex spouses, stalkers, etc. may have had their home's location compromised. Not to mention the fact that every person in the database who has been researched is now a known gunowner and a potential target for everything from daylight burglary to liberal crackpots.

34 posted on 03/13/2007 3:33:10 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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Parents might like to know if a member of the car pool has a pistol in the gove box.

True. They might also want to know if the guy driving is a homosexual. Some parents of girls don't want them alone with a man; similarly, parents of boys might not want them alone with a gay man. Since the default is heterosexual, it's obvious (using the editor's logic) that homosexuals need to register with the state and those records made public. A website would be a nice touch, too.

40 posted on 03/13/2007 6:56:25 PM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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How about "Because you have a license plate, or a phone number or an SSN" we publish that? I might advocate some sort of "Don't get mad get even" kind of response but Freepers are more civil than that.


41 posted on 03/13/2007 7:06:22 PM PDT by printhead
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Well, this makes the third thread in three days that I have seen on this topic. The first two have been flushed down the memory-hole by the Admin Mods.

Let's see how long this one lasts.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

46 posted on 03/14/2007 7:19:36 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have two speeds: "graze" and "stampede".)
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To: Egon
Parents might like to know if a member of the car pool has a pistol in the glove box. Employers might like to know if employees are bringing weapons to the office.

I have a CCW permit and I NEVER carry a gun in the car. This is idiotic.

47 posted on 03/14/2007 7:21:05 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Egon
The public doesn't have the right to know everything, if it is legally permitted. What's legally perrmitted may be ethically out of bounds. This MSM reporter forgot that distinction. I could publish a list of all the journalists in this country, complete with their names and addresses. We'll see if those First Amendment purists are still for sunshine when its THEIR their privacy that is invaded.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

50 posted on 03/14/2007 7:36:59 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Egon
Au contraire. Because the government handles the permitting, it is everyone's business.

The author is simply begging to have someone publish every scrap of public information available about him...

What's the over-under (in minutes) for a FReeper to upload a screenshot of his home from Google Earth?

53 posted on 03/14/2007 7:46:35 AM PDT by Teacher317 (Are you familiar with the writings of Shan Yu?)
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To: Egon
There are plenty of reasons people choose to carry weapons: fear of a violent ex-lover, concern about criminals or worry that the king of England might try to get into your house.
I guess he's saying that CCW holders might be nutters. But the author isn't taking sides? Right.
65 posted on 03/14/2007 9:01:53 AM PDT by wysiwyg (What parts of "right of the people" and "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?)
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