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Is this the fabric of the universe?
Telegraph ^ | 3/19/07 | Roger Highfield

Posted on 03/19/2007 8:34:38 PM PDT by LibWhacker

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1 posted on 03/19/2007 8:34:47 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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So I'm to believe in a 57-dimensional model, and creationism is a fairy tale?

No thanks - I'll stick with Genesis.


2 posted on 03/19/2007 8:43:57 PM PDT by Eccl 10:2 (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem - Ps 122:6)
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To: LibWhacker

what time is McGuyver on ?


3 posted on 03/19/2007 8:47:35 PM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: LibWhacker

Great, just great. I went to public school. So that means I have 57 dimensions I am clueless about.


4 posted on 03/19/2007 8:50:07 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: LibWhacker
Okay, so this impossibly complex thing could 'lay bare the fundamentals of the cosmos', yet the writer also thought it important to explain the pronunciation of "E8".

Something tells me we're a bit short on being ready for that next level, dude...

5 posted on 03/19/2007 8:50:31 PM PDT by alancarp (How many millions have to break a law before it's inconvenient to enforce?)
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To: IrishCatholic
"Great, just great. I went to public school. So that means I have 57 dimensions I am clueless about."

They have gone to plaid!


6 posted on 03/19/2007 8:56:28 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: IrishCatholic
It's a subliminal advertisement for Heinz.

7 posted on 03/19/2007 8:57:05 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: LibWhacker

Where does Duncan Hunter stand on this? /s


8 posted on 03/19/2007 8:57:46 PM PDT by mgstarr (People shouldn't fear their government, governments should fear their people.)
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To: LibWhacker

The foolishness of God is greater than the wisdom of man.


9 posted on 03/19/2007 9:02:05 PM PDT by prophetic
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To: LibWhacker

E-8 is so gay.

E-9 is where it's at.


10 posted on 03/19/2007 9:06:54 PM PDT by WackySam (Just say no to Rudy McRomney)
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To: Eccl 10:2
> So I'm to believe in a 57-dimensional model, and creationism is a fairy tale? No thanks - I'll stick with Genesis.

"Belief" doesn't apply to mathematics and physics -- those sciences don't rely on faith. Consider:

God's Love is infinite and beyond our comprehension, yet He granted us human Love as a model, to help us understand. A child can love, and in that act becomes one with God.

God's Universe includes complexities (perhaps 57-D ones) that are beyond our comprehension, yet He granted us the mathematics to describe the Universe with models, to help us understand. Mathematicians and physicists can appreciate the beauty of those models, and in doing so, appreciate the Creation itself (whether they admit it out loud or not).

I see no contradiction in believing that God created a Universe of infinite majesty and complexity, and yet inspired the author of Genesis to phrase it in a simpler way that would help all people grasp the Creation.

Nothing in this fancy 57-D mathematical model requires that in order to appreciate it, you have to give up your religious beliefs. They are not in opposition.

That said, of course you're welcome to reject the mathematics -- it's a free country.

11 posted on 03/19/2007 9:06:59 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Eccl 10:2

Not at all what is invited in this calculation. Don't be obtuse. Seeing some of the mathematical facets of God's plan is not blasphemy.


12 posted on 03/19/2007 9:08:23 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: IrishCatholic

Now, now... If you were paying attention in school, you should have a pretty good handle on four of them. So actually, you're only clueless about 53 of them! ;-)


13 posted on 03/19/2007 9:16:52 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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...we now encounter it at almost every corner," he said, referring to efforts to combine the theory of the very big (general relativity) with the very small (quantum mechanics). "Thus, understanding the inner workings of E8 is not only a great advance for pure mathematics, but may also help physicists in their quest for a unified theory."...but - what ever happened to string theory??????......
14 posted on 03/19/2007 9:27:40 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: alancarp
Okay, so this impossibly complex thing could 'lay bare the fundamentals of the cosmos', yet the writer also thought it important to explain the pronunciation of "E8". Something tells me we're a bit short on being ready for that next level, dude...

Fair criticism. What is so intriguing about E8 is that it pops out of physicists equations in a lot of different areas. There's likely something fundamental about it. But you're right that the definition of how it is going to change things is a little vague. It seems to me one of the biggest barriers is the complexity of the description required. Sampling a single configuratin of the E8 out of 60 gig of numbers and formulae is going to be very comptationally intensive. Will probably limit it's usefulness until computers get faster.

But kudos to the folks who did this. It's a massive accomplishment that may be very important.

15 posted on 03/19/2007 9:29:14 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: LibWhacker

Personally, I think the fabric of the universe is based on Palindromes. How can it be that all numbers can result in a palindrome? It's utterly baffling to me. If we understood why palindromes exist, I think we would find that answer to be the key to much of the universes puzzles.


16 posted on 03/19/2007 9:29:38 PM PDT by jatopilot99
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To: Eccl 10:2

So I'm to believe in a 57-dimensional model"


For the feat, the team used a mix of theoretical mathematics"

This is imaginative science.


17 posted on 03/19/2007 9:31:12 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: MHGinTN

I guess I missed the part in the article where they honored God. Sorry.


18 posted on 03/19/2007 9:33:19 PM PDT by Eccl 10:2 (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem - Ps 122:6)
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To: dayglored

"Belief" doesn't apply to mathematics and physics -- those sciences don't rely on faith."

"the team used a mix of theoretical mathematics"

That relies on faith.



19 posted on 03/19/2007 9:34:16 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: RightWhale; snarks_when_bored
Like, *PING*!, dudes.

Cheers!

20 posted on 03/19/2007 9:36:33 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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