Posted on 03/23/2007 8:30:55 AM PDT by Toespi
I'm guessing at least 10,000.
Thanks for the info, fanfan! BTW, has aminopterin been okayed for use as a rodenticide in Canada, do you know?
K'in A! The Muhammedens have infiltrated here too!
I searched, found a ton of PDF files, mostly to do with breast cancer treatment, and insecticide studies.
I get the impression it's banned.
Here is a PDF as an example of what I found.
I would hope that on some level, Homeland Security was paying attention to this because of the chemical attack implications.
What if...
I have feed my dog Raw Chicken Backs, bones and all for years and he loves it, plus it's cheaper than commercial Dog Food. Dog instinctivly don't like cereal grains thats why they spray fats on the dry food just to get them to eat it.ABADY sounds good. I know Miller foods in Conn. makes a whole meat product for dogs [no fillers or unknown meat products]I believe the winner of this years [Best in Show] Westminster show uses their product.
Either I am misinformed, or this THREAD is WAY behind the news curve: the toxic dog food has been traced to a gluten additive in many brands of dog food, said additive being made from and provided by Chinese wheat, which had ILLEGALLY (as per Chinese law) been subjected to rat poison, (a rodenticide) which obviously had been applied to large quantities of wheat before harvest in order to squelch a rodent problem. Thanks China, thanks all you free-traders who kiss China's ass at all costs. Michael Savage was ballistic about this tonight. The only good thing to be said about this is that at least the rodenticide was "illegal" in China, but it somehow got past THEM and US/ one of the many BAD things to say about it is that there is NO logical reason we NEED to get anything like this from China, when our own farmers are being paid not to grow.
Agreed.
Over 1,300 reported dead on the petconnection.com database.
Note: These have not all been substantiated as definitely related to the recall (i.e., they may or may not have proof that they ate food from the recalled batches... if pet died 1 day before the recall they may have thrown out the food containers so they can't check the codes, etc.).
Agreed.
I called my 3 local TV news stations this morning because they're still reporting "over 16 dead"... I wanted to alert them to the huge discrepancy in their numbers vs. the petconnection.com numbers (and to rag on them for not doing their homework better), and NONE of the people I spoke with had even heard of the petconnection.com database.
So if the news people, who's job it is to investigate this stuff (I know, I know, they don't investigate, they just report the wire stories... but I keep hoping)... anyway, if the news people don't know about petconnection.com, think how FEW people in the general public know about it. In other words, if only 1% of the population even knows about petconnection.com to report their pet's death, and there are 1,300 dead reported already... imagine how many deaths would/will be reported once the general population starts to hear about petconnection.com.
Scary.
The reason I like ABADY is because it's the next best thing to the BARF diet ("bones and raw food" - which is what you feed). When I looked into doing BARF, I found out that to do it "right" you're supposed to use supplements and things to make sure they get a balanced diet (balanced for carnivore, not for human). In the wild, as you know, carnivores eat guts, intestines, bone marrow, etc., which give them additional nutrients beyond just "raw meat." I knew that I don't even feed myself a good/balanced diet, so there was no way I would get it right for my dogs. But ABADY is essentially "BARF in a box" - it's a balanced diet made for carnivores without all the additives of commercial foods.
Note: When I bred my bitch, ABADY is such a complete food, that we didn't need to give her any supplements during gestation OR nursing (except I gave her an egg shell or two during nursing, just to boost calcium). I don't know if you know about breeding, but that is HUGE to not require supplements during breeding. Think of all the supplements they put human women on when they are pregnant. Dogs usually get a wad of supplements when they are pregnant and when they are nursing. But with ABADY, it's a COMPLETE food, so no supplements were necessary, and both Mother and Pups were all healthy as could be. (The 5-year old "pup" that I kept from that litter has NEVER required Vet services because she's so healthy... never vomited or had diarrhea in her life, etc.)
Yep, I'm sold on ABADY, obviously. :-)
And a bonus is it's shipped to my doorstep by UPS - don't even have to go to a store to pick it up!
Did you see that some of the MIGHTY DOG line was included in the recall?
Here: http://www.fda.gov/oc/po/firmrecalls/purina03_07.html
Better not buy any food from China. Period. Dog food or any other food...
PIGS EARS RECALLED:
http://www.fda.gov/oc/po/firmrecalls/bj03_07.html
Unrelated to Menu Foods recall. Salmonella is the issue.
Yes,thanks. We bought Mighty Dog in a can for our dog. Just to be safe I'm not buying any can dog food for a while.
This is very strange, doesn't the USA produce wheat for the world? Haven't we sold wheat to China and the former USSR because their people were practically starving? Does China raise so much wheat and have so much available for their people that they can sell surplus to the US, after shipping across the wide ocean, at a cheaper cost than USA wheat? Is the pet food manufactured in China? And that's why "Chinese" wheat is used? I'd sure like to know the answer. I called Pedigree today and asked if they bought products in the food from China and couldn't get an answer other than their pet food was safe. I wouldn't be too surprised to learn that the wheat in the pet food was wheat provided to China by USA relief agencies, warehoused there and contaminated trying to keep rodents out and then sold back to the USA for pet food, and wouldn't that be ironic?
This is unbelievable.
"So if the news people, who's job it is to investigate this stuff...."
I just got back from a meeting, and the TEN PM news was on the TV in the background. Same thing, except they reported "up to fourteen dead." HOW OLD IS THIS STORY NOW??? And it hasn't occurred to ANYONE in the news biz that if SIXTY MILLION products are being recalled, that there just MIGHT be more than fourteen dead?
Okay, just on the off chance one of these "journalists" (I use the term loosely) managed to put two brain cells together and question the number of deaths being quoted, HOW DIFFICULT WOULD IT BE to:
a) Get the phone book
b) Identify the Yellow Pages
c) Find "VETERANARIANS" (chances are it's toward the back)
d) Phone each one with the following query:
"Good morning, I'm Barbara Bonehead from See B.S. 2 news at five, and we're doing an informal, unscientific survey of ALL vets in the area, and we will NOT be using your name. Could you give us a rough idea of how many pets you've lost to the tainted food?"
If you're located in a major metro area, forty or fifty replies should not be difficult. A hundred would be better. Not located in a major metro? MAKE SOME LONG DISTANCE CALLS for heaven's sake! Anyway, forty or fifty should give you a good average.
THEN...(here comes the hard part)....
Find out approximately how many veteranarians there are in the Continental U.S.! (This may require an intenet search engine, or even a phone call to a veteranary trade publication) THEN....
Extrapolate (big word I know, but you'll have to look it up!) the average number obtained from your survey to the number of vets in the U.S., and you'll have a PRETTY GOOD IDEA how many Fluffies and Fidos have actually succumbed to the rat poisoned pet food!
Am I missing something? Not a big tough assignment, but it doesn't seem to have occurred to ANY of them to look into this. Otherwise it would have hit the wires already.
Do we have to do their jobs for them or what? Oh wait, I forgot. If it can't be blamed on a Republican or and Evangelical Christian, they don't care!
I know I know I know !!
Here's the worst part: I THINK THEY KILLED THE STORY COMPLETELY!!!
My three local TV news channels didn't report ONE WORD on the pet food recall on Sunday or Monday (so far).
I sent them an email telling them I am appalled that they would kill a story when potentially several thousand animals have/are dying. I gave them all the data, all the links, all the info they need to report/investigate.
Everything you wrote is apparently way too complicated or scientific for the news media. You were right, "extrapolate" is a HUGE word that I'm sure they've never even heard before, much less know how to do.
My news even reported "over 16 have died, including 4 here in our state." Ok, so it takes rocket science to think in your head, "Hmmm, 4 dead in our state, and there are 50 states... but only 16 officially reported dead? Something isn't adding up."
17% of the animals in the taste test at Menu Foods died. SEVENTEEN PERCENT !! So again with the extrapolation: If 60 million cans/pouches were out there to be eaten... +/- 17% of the animals who eat it are potentially going to die... I think it's bigger than 16 dead animals.
And I'm sure they would have killed this story if it were PEOPLE dying by the thousands from RAT POISON in the food supply. Yeah right.
But they can certainly put the Anna Nicole Smith autopsy results at the TOP of the news hour on all three local channels! Talk about an OLD story that needs to be KILLED!! Sheesh.
I'm truly outraged at the lack of responsible media interest in this story. They did a good job of giving it TIME last week, but they did a lousy job on accuracy or investigation or stressing the magnitude and urgency. And now that the magnitude of the problem is coming to light, they have KILLED the story entirely. So a week from now it will just be "that food recall that killed about 16 animals."
Grrrrrr!!!
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