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To: Coyoteman
"Does it make no difference to you that ID is religion dishonestly masquerading as science?"

Nonsense. Only Intelligent Design explains genetically altered animals such as pigs that have been made to produce Human Growth Hormone (HGH).

That's not religion. That's modern science.

Evolution can't explain those pigs, by the way...

28 posted on 03/25/2007 1:13:00 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
"Nonsense. Only Intelligent Design explains genetically altered animals such as pigs that have been made to produce Human Growth Hormone (HGH).

You can not say that the pigs were produced by intelligent design, you can only say that the pigs were modified by intelligent design.

"That's not religion. That's modern science.

Genetic manipulation is science. CM did not say otherwise. He was referring to the idea that all life, starting 3.8 bya is the result of intelligent design. That we can currently modify the genomes of animals to get what we want shows that it is possible for intelligence to produce variation in life, it does not give any evidence what so ever that the life on Earth is the result of ID. We need physical evidence that it happened that way not evidence that it is possible. All scientists recognize that genetic manipulation by intelligence is possible. What we don't believe is that there is any independent evidence that shows that is what happened.

"Evolution can't explain those pigs, by the way...

Evolution can and does explain the pigs used as the basis for these new ones. We just modified the genome, we did not create it. I'm not saying that we could not have created it, nor that some other intelligence could not have created it, I am saying that your argument, as you present it, is jumping to unwarranted conclusions.

42 posted on 03/25/2007 5:10:00 PM PDT by b_sharp (evolution is not, generally speaking, a global optimizer, but a general satisficer -J. Wilkins)
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