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To: jatopilot99
... Mormon men who were ordered by their leader to shoot these men women and children point blank in the head after they had surrendered (and the Mormon militia had offered them safe passage). Never forget the massacre!

Did you know that at one time, they sent their own militias to ambush US troops under the leadership of Brigham Young?

That religion also produced the Dannites under the command of Joseph Smith and other "prophets". Beheadings and Blood Atonement was practiced by the religion.

Sorry. but you have gone off the deep end now. There was trial regarding Mountain Meadows and justice was done and none of the allegation you now make were proven in a court of law in terms of the Church leadership ordering it or being involved in it in the slightest.

Ther was a trial and the individual responsible was found guilty and executed.

What happened there is that a wagon train full of some of the individuals who had persecuted the relatives of these people and driven them out of Missouri was passing through, bnreathing our threatenings and slander as they passed. Hotheds who were members (and there are bad LDS people like there are bad Baptists, Catholics, Methodists, or any other brand of people), took it upon themselves to hatch this scheme against them and take revenge. They did the horrible deed...but, as I say, were later brought to trial.

As to the other...beheadings and blood sacrifice, there is not one shred of evidence, not one, that the church ever condoned or participated in any such thing. To the contrary, it was those who persecuted their fellow Americans back in that time who murdered scores of innocents Mormons including little children, took their land, and drove them out into the Rocky MOanutains in the 1830s and 1940s.

Anyhow, what you are doing now is simply offensive and not true. To this point we had a reasoned and rational discussion, but your introduction of these falsehoods and rumors and inuendo makes that impossible.

The Lord said, "By hteir fruit ye shall know them."

The fruit of the Church as evidenced by the life and livlihood of the vast majority of its members, and their commitment to family, to morality, and to Christian principle in treating their neighbor as themselves, and loving others, as has been testified to by others not of that faith on this thread. That speaks for itself.

I have given my witness and am content now to let it stand on its own merit.

128 posted on 03/31/2007 9:26:32 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

Jeff, there was no valid reason for the group of Mormon men to kill those 150 or so travelers of men women and children. Period. The perpetrators of that criminal act were a large group of Mormons, at least one of whom was a personal advisor to Brigham Young himself (Lee). Why was only one man, Lee, who happened to be the leader of the Dannites put to death for the crime. Do you think that only one man killed all 150? He was put to death 20 years after the crime because no witnesses would cooperate with the Federal (non mormon) judges during those 20 years.

Again, I encourage you to think critically and you will see the truth.

Anyways, I really do respect your intelligent discussion on this topic, I just think that you are way wrong. We obviously feel strongly opposed here, but I do thank you for discussing and ultimately I want you and others to know that I care very much for the Mormon people.

We are all Americans and we are all brothers and sisters in Christ. I have very close family ties with Mormons and I know what good people they are in general. But I view their religion as potentially dangerous in more ways than one.

God Bless.


130 posted on 03/31/2007 10:02:59 PM PDT by jatopilot99 (Mitt Romney is pro-abortion, pro-gay, and pro-euthanasia!)
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