Posted on 04/05/2007 5:42:47 PM PDT by Utah Girl
“Well, God the Father Chose Jesus Christ to be our savior, so he can be called God, but that’s because he is part of the Godhead (biblical term you know) And there is the Holy Ghost, he’s part of the Godhead too, the God head is of one heart, might mind and strength holding all things in common thus they are one, so one. But this includes the first one, so we reach a total of 1 (one).”
I’m surprised, being a fellow Mormon and all, that you have the mental faculty and critical thinking skills to count so high.
Or are you only counting to 1 (one) because the Prophet told you to?
Placemarker in the next fifty
I hope you forgive me for messing with Resty a little. I think she likes it but just won’t admit she does.
I’ll lay off now.
Cheers, to you too.
Just as well; you won’t be insulted by the apologists then ...
Are you talking about spiking my blood sugar again?:)
Practice being Christlike, yes I do. I hope I am always a student!
BTW, I can't remember who said that the LDS never acknowledge or learn from other faiths (insinuating that we were holier-than-thou and superior) But in light of the recent tragedy at Virginia Tech, today in Sunday School I was reminded of a recent talk given by one of our Apostles regarding the powerful spirit of forgivingness that the quaker community demonstrated last year during their own tragedy.
Here's a small snippet.
"Their forgiveness was immediate. Collectively they began to reach out to the milkman's suffering family. As the milkman's family gathered in his home the day after the shootings, an Amish neighbor came over, wrapped his arms around the father of the dead gunman, and said, "We will forgive you."1 Amish leaders visited the milkman's wife and children to extend their sympathy, their forgiveness, their help, and their love. About half of the mourners at the milkman's funeral were Amish. In turn, the Amish invited the milkman's family to attend the funeral services of the girls who had been killed. A remarkable peace settled on the Amish as their faith sustained them during this crisis. One local resident very eloquently summed up the aftermath of this tragedy when he said, "We were all speaking the same language, and not just English, but a language of caring, a language of community, [and] a language of service. And, yes, a language of forgiveness."2 It was an amazing outpouring of their complete faith in the Lord's teachings in the Sermon on the Mount: "Do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you."...
... How could the whole Amish group manifest such an expression of forgiveness? It was because of their faith in God and trust in His word, which is part of their inner beings. They see themselves as disciples of Christ and want to follow His example.
http://lds.org/conference/talk/display/0,5232,23-1-690-24,00.html
>You should not asume that because I disagree with Mormonism that I agree with what is accepted as orthodox.
So you do not agree with what you are promoting? Can I buy a vowel here Alex?
>I believe the BOM to be a work of fiction and J.Smith to be a con-man.
And you base this belief on…
>Therefore, in my opinion, your religion is based on false premises from the start. Simple as that.
The Chinese have a special wisdom about many things, one of the quotations I learned while over there was “In questioning deity, any answer is significant” Well I have questioned Deity (that’s God for those new to this thread) and I have received an answer. Not something ambiguous, not something that could have been food, but an answer that like Joseph smith I dare not ignore.
Please do not take this as an insult or as a put down but you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
>I could go on and criticize, say, your testimony, but I swore off fault-finding, at least for now.
Funny, I could have sworn that was what you just did… Yep, I went back and looked.
>I think that the Arian Controversy is very illustrative of how organized religions wind up at odds with each other, so there’s much for us all to learn there.
Let’s take that for a moment, and a few other things I have brought up on this thread
a) Arian Controversy
b) Hebrews using Egyptian hieroglyphs
c) Chiasmus in the BOM
d) Abrahamic scrolls now they are finding a lot of similar scrolls in with mummies
e) 500+ pages written in what 90 days with no editing, governments, recurring themes, groups of people moving around and rejoining all without edits or mistakes written in a single pass.
f) Sentence structure analysis proving that there was more than one author in the BOM
These are just a few of the things you have to explain away that a young un educated boy managed to “Pull out of his Hat”. I have more, to just call him a charlatan and leave tit a the, no , you must explain how he did these things or admit you don’t know how which leaves your diagnosis, well wanting.
> My original post on this thread, where I asked why people thought Mormonism was a
>cult, was not meant to imply that I thought it was, although, it seems many of you
>Mormons thought that’s what I meant.
Of course we did.
You have been one of the more reasonable (at times) people on this thread, and you have som interesting logical things to talk about, so I will wish you well instead of pushing you into a well (a little humor there) and close my posting for the evening (I hope as my wife wants me to take some stuff she made to the neighbors who just moved in)
E- ya later
It was an excellent talk. There is indeed a lot to learn from their example.
You meant to post this to yourself?
Thank you for your post about forgiveness. That was from last General Conference and I remember feeling ashamed of myself. When the Ahmish tragedy happened I just wanted to bop someone upside the head.
All except the blood, you say.
Why not the blood. I like my blood. Why can’t God just give us leak-proof veins.
Is there food in Mormon heaven? What happens when you eat it. Does it just disappear, or are there toilets in Mormon heaven.
Oh no, maybe the stuff from the Celestial toilets goes to next level down! I sure hope the plumbing in Heaven doesn’t leak.
Come to think of food in Mormon heaven, I sure hope it’s better than the little bits of stale bread you serve with your sacrament!
On no! Bread and water in heaven! I think I’d rather go to Valhalla at least they have good beer there.
LOL Tell me another fairytale Resty!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1812842/posts?page=1657#1657
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Luke 24
25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
28 And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he would have gone further.
29 But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them.
30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.
31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.
32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?
33 And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them,
34 Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.
35 And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.
36 ¶ And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
48 And ye are witnesses of these things.
49 ¶ And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
Whatever you hope to be doing, it seems to be working for those who want to know and can discern between the two different approaches.
Cheers
Next....
and did that "witness from the Holy Ghost" actually deal with the issues raised? I have never had the Holy Ghost "witness" to me that doctrines were both true (according to the book of mormon) and false(according to the bible) at the same time. Is it just a sense of transcendence that you get that "this is true" so that you can put your rational categories in park, or do you just ignore the new testament or do you just decide that since moroni has come along that you just don't need that old book anymore, or what is it? I am assuming you are aware of the radical divergences between the book of mormon and the New Testament. How do you reconcile your claim to be a "perfecting" of that book with the contradictions between the two? I had a long discussion with two LDS missionaries once when hitchiking thru South America. They initially told me there was no contradiction between the book of Mormon and the Bible, but when we began looking at both, it became obvious they knew very little of the Bible. When confronted with the obvious teaching of the Bible, they claimed that although the Bible "seemed" to teach orthodox Xty, the book of Mormon contained its "true" interpretation. They knew this because "their hearts burned within them." I asked how they knew the difference between this and the pizza they ate last night causing heartburn and they seemed genuinely confused by the question. My point is that an internal witness of the Holy Spirit ENLIGHTENS the intellect rather than suspends it. Again, how do you reconcile the disaparate teachings of the two documents, and the obvious historical falsehoods re:
1) there has never been any such language as "reformed Egyptian" and no such hieroglyphics representing such a dialect have ever been found, hinted at, or referenced in any ancient works.
2)There is no evidence of any chariots, steel or blacksmithing or silk in the New World, as referenced in Nephi, Alma, and Ether.
3) There is no evidence at all of any of the cities referenced in the BoM. Not one, and these were supposedly thriving metropolises teeming with people.
4) There is NO evidence of any of the following animals (all referenced as living during the time period of the BoM) lived in the New World ass, bull, calf, cattle, cow, horse, ox, swine and elephants. These animals were NOT living in the time of the BoM and NOT ONE piece of evidence exists for them living here, yet the BoM makes repeated references to them.
5)The American Indians have been proven on the basis of clear, undisputed, and strong DNA evidence to be linked to Asians, and NOT to Hebraic (Shemite) peoples, as claimed by the BoM.
There are many more obvious and clear discrepancies with science and history, but I join those who for over a hundred years have been waiting for an answer for these.
Thanks, I needed the chuckle tonight!
Who on this thread has called your religious beliefs an abomination? Sure our doctrines teach that the apostasy happened and that the hundreds of different Churches taught heresy and abominations before the restoration. All churches have some set of inner values that hold them up as the "true Church" and worse words that that are used in internal doctrines throughout Christendom, but I don't think anyone here has done that to you or yours. Cheers.
Ridiculous!
If I knew the answer to that, I could also tell you how the many saints rose from the grave at Christ’s Resurrection, but I’m not God, so I don’t know. All I know is that it is and will be a grand gift from God.
Matthew 27:
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
I find that is a common trait among those who get sucked into cults.
I think CC had a similar experience, different result. I'm sure you wouldn't consider her journey ending entrapped within a cult?
I have heard it all DOP for over 25 years all this stuff has been repackaged and recycled over and over.
It is a good money maker!:)
Even better!
What about "Guiding Light"?
Nope, I wasn’t looking for religion, I was looking for escape.
Actually I had been running from religion for 20 years.
Oops, I guess I’m back.
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