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Shots fired at Virginia Tech (AP: 33 dead, 15 wounded)
http://www.vtnews.vt.edu/story.php?relyear=2007&itemno=248 ^

Posted on 04/16/2007 7:14:16 AM PDT by LexHoskin

Gunman on Campus; Stay inside your building, away from windows; Shooting incident at West Ambler Johnston Hall

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TOPICS: Breaking News; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; rkba; secondamendment; selfdefense; vatech; virginiatech
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To: killjoy

Not necessarily. One would be to prevent further blood loss - the other can happen even with minimal blood loss.


1,201 posted on 04/16/2007 11:21:08 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: DCPatriot

Heard on Fox that some clips may hold 17 rounds. This guy must have been very well trained to get off that many rounds, reload quickly, and not get jumped. Plus he lock the doors with chains. He was prepared.


1,203 posted on 04/16/2007 11:21:37 AM PDT by myprecious
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To: Txsleuth

I know that if I lost it and snapped and started to hurt innocents with the gun that I bought for protection,the rational part of me that was left, would be grateful to anyone who would shoot me and stop me before I hurt someone.

It makes no sense to disarm the public, none.

We should be handing out guns and knives on planes instead of taking them away. Stupid.


1,204 posted on 04/16/2007 11:21:40 AM PDT by HonestConservative (As long as there is Free Republic there is hope for Liberty)
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To: fatima
That’s the August 2006 shooter.

Not sure if there’s a way to verify it’s his myspace site or some impostor.

He says his sign is Aquarius on myspace, so I went to Wikipedia to try to find the month he was born, but one isn’t listed, so I couldn’t do a match.

1,205 posted on 04/16/2007 11:21:49 AM PDT by jdm
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To: Aquinasfan
A "gun-free zone" is an invitation to the devil.


Inviting the Devil


1,206 posted on 04/16/2007 11:21:56 AM PDT by XR7
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To: DCPatriot

I have after market 17 round mags for my Ruger.


1,207 posted on 04/16/2007 11:22:31 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Fight Crime. Shoot Back.)
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To: Centurion2000

THis is a victim. It has been confirmed that the shooter (if only one) was Asian American


1,208 posted on 04/16/2007 11:22:32 AM PDT by shoedog
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To: Centurion2000; All

CNN is hinting at two shooters.


1,209 posted on 04/16/2007 11:22:41 AM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: NittanyLion
Seems to me that the initial shooting at 7AM was done as a decoy.

Get every available LEO on the opposite side of the campus....walk into a dorm 1 mile away...chain the doors (premeditation) and start killing people like fish in a barrel

1,210 posted on 04/16/2007 11:22:42 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: SubGeniusX

ANd before September 11th, flying airplanes into buildings didn’t fit the profile either. A profile is nothing more than a history of how a group has acted in the past. To claim that “islamic terrorists” in general have a specific profile is ridiculous as there are so many groups covered by the phrase “islamic terrorists”.

If my memory serves me correct, in the past years on college campuses we have had one or two islamic terrorists run people over with cars and one try to blow-up a football game (OK v. K. State). I don’t think either of these fit a profile for islamic terror up until that point either, but if they happen again, people will instantly associate those acts with Islamic terror.

But, at what point does a profile emerge? Do we need ten killers? Eleven? What about the DC snipers combined with the Utah shooter? How about groups in Iraq kidnapping and executing people trying to join Iraqi police forces?

It seems that the only common thread to islam is massive killing and if Allah is particularly kind to the murderers, then the killings are in the bloodiest manner possible. That is the profile of islamic terror.


1,211 posted on 04/16/2007 11:22:53 AM PDT by bone52 (Fight Terrorists.... Blow up the Eiffel Tower)
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To: Bosco

Sudden Jihad Syndrome?


1,212 posted on 04/16/2007 11:23:10 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: tcrlaf

“Asian” is the BBC’s code for Muslim.


1,213 posted on 04/16/2007 11:23:34 AM PDT by sportutegrl (This thread is useless without pix.)
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To: Dianna

Brittany & Ben Sammon


1,214 posted on 04/16/2007 11:23:51 AM PDT by TwoSue
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To: myprecious

Two handguns with 30 round magazines would not have had to reload, especially if you consider the 9mm’s deserved reputation for overpenetration.


1,215 posted on 04/16/2007 11:24:01 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: oceanview
...that isn’t focused on being anti-Rudy....

Not "anti-Rudy," anti-gun-control and anti-abortion.

If you don't think this event is going to be politicized, you're rather naive.

1,216 posted on 04/16/2007 11:24:04 AM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: petitfour
The shooter in Pearl, MS, was thwarted by the assistant principal who had a weapon in his vehicle that was parked off campus.

You're correct about that one -- I hadn't recalled it. Perhaps there are some more out there that I cannot recall.

FWIW, the Columbine shootings occurred despite the fact that the armed security guard at the school had actually exchanged shots with Harris and/or Klebold. Seeing as how they planned to die anyway, the presence of armed officers seems not to have deterred them.

Bottom line is that it's probably not reasonable to ascribe normal human responses to people who are out to kill as many as possible before they commit suicide.

1,217 posted on 04/16/2007 11:24:15 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: dfwgator

after every one of these incidents, the same thing is said - “oh they will take security more seriously now”. it never happens. people don’t want to be “incovenienced” by security measures, the campus security forces consist of $10 an hour “rent-a-cops”, etc, etc.


1,218 posted on 04/16/2007 11:24:17 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: DCPatriot

decoy - good thought


1,219 posted on 04/16/2007 11:24:28 AM PDT by mommya
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To: eleni121
Terrorism = Islam.

So therefore Terrorism never took place in N. Ireland because the bombers were not Muslim?

What about the Olympic Park Bombing in 1996?

Was Eric Robert Rudolph a terrorist?

The shooter(s) at VA Tech no matter their faith are Terrorists.

1,220 posted on 04/16/2007 11:24:29 AM PDT by trumandogz
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To: sneakers

Prayers for the wounded, and prayers for the families of those killed.

May God give the innocent deceased peace. He will deal with the shooter with the “reward” he so richly deserves.


1,221 posted on 04/16/2007 11:24:30 AM PDT by sneakers
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To: F-117A

I recalled the many threats by Islamists of hitting our schools


1,222 posted on 04/16/2007 11:24:38 AM PDT by JustPiper ("It's one thing to authorize. It's another thing to actually appropriate the money and do it")
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To: twntaipan
MSM almost never reports that kind of info.

Of course not, if this was done by a foreigner, especially a Muslim, MSM rushes to hide all the facts.

If it was a white male, then we will know all about him right now.

1,223 posted on 04/16/2007 11:24:50 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican (Everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
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To: DCPatriot

Get every available LEO on the opposite side of the campus....walk into a dorm 1 mile away...chain the doors (premeditation) and start killing people like fish in a barrel

I think this is exactly what happened.


1,224 posted on 04/16/2007 11:24:52 AM PDT by mystery-ak (My Son, My Soldier, My Hero........God Speed Jonathan......)
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To: milford421; Veto!; ExSoldier; All
I asked this question earlier --

On CNN, a young woman student just said she was in the dorm when the shooting began. She said a lockdown was called and then a short while later, the school lifted the lockdown and declared all-clear.

After the lockdown was lifted, the second shooting occurred across campus.

So why was the first lockdown rescinded? Was someone in custody other than the person who later shot up the computer lab?

1,225 posted on 04/16/2007 11:25:01 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Centurion2000
Does anyone know if this was the perp? Look at the nose .... looks Middle Eastern to me.

I tried to blow up the photo a little, but it's hard to say. I think I see some facial hair, but that's about it.

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1,226 posted on 04/16/2007 11:25:01 AM PDT by jdm
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To: oceanview

Bush to speak on this at 4:15PM.


1,227 posted on 04/16/2007 11:25:08 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: dfwgator
If there can be a silver lining to this, is that Universities will take security much more seriously before a real organized attack by Al-Qaeda takes place.

I don't see that as a silver lining at all but an overreaction. I do see how turning universities into lock downed facilities is a step forward.

Sometimes bad things just happen to good people. By living our lives in a bunker type mentality, what sort of lives would we have?

1,228 posted on 04/16/2007 11:25:35 AM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: Centurion2000
Yahoo has some new photos out.

This is probably dumb question, but that has never stopped me before. Does anyone know why they are carrying the people out like this and not fireman style over the shoulder? Wouldn't that be more efficient?

1,229 posted on 04/16/2007 11:25:41 AM PDT by retrokitten (These pretzels are making me thirsty!)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum; nwctwx; MamaDearest; Cindy

ping


1,230 posted on 04/16/2007 11:25:54 AM PDT by JustPiper ("It's one thing to authorize. It's another thing to actually appropriate the money and do it")
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To: DCPatriot

very good point.


1,232 posted on 04/16/2007 11:26:03 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: XR7

The Headline SHOULD read:

“32 Killed-28 Wounded In Liberal-Mandated “Gun-Free Zone”

Truth in headlines, after all...


1,233 posted on 04/16/2007 11:26:09 AM PDT by tcrlaf (VOTE DEM! You'll Look GREAT In A Burqa!)
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To: dfwgator

I think you are exceedingly right.

I HOPE there’s a big wakeup. I’m not very optimistic.

God have mercy on us and help us prepare.

Thanks.


1,234 posted on 04/16/2007 11:26:12 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD!)
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To: freeperfromnj

Also, there was the guy who blew himself up outside the football stadium at OSU.


It was OU.


1,235 posted on 04/16/2007 11:26:27 AM PDT by kenth (I got tired of my last tagline...)
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To: Txsleuth

I agree. I think so many people are shocked and become afraid in a situation like today and want to run and hide. I think we need to get some courage under our belt and start fighting back against these idiots like the people on Flight 93. We may lose our lives in the process, but we would likely do nothing anyhow.

If I had been there I don’t know what I would have done. If I had scene the guy shooting people not sure if I would have run and tried to jump on him to get the guns away from him, or try and hide to protect myself. I cannot say as a 35 year old woman. And I’m sure so many that were killed this morning never had a chance to even make that choice.

All I do know is this makes me want to get a gun! I’ve been wanting to get one for a long time now, but I told DH that it is time.


1,236 posted on 04/16/2007 11:26:28 AM PDT by Halls (check out my profile and it will explain everything!)
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To: Types_with_Fist

I dont think its an overreaction.

If theres more than one shooter, who knows what their agenda is?


1,237 posted on 04/16/2007 11:26:31 AM PDT by Armedanddangerous (Master of Sinanju (emeritus))
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To: Sgt. Stryker

I was thinking about my school. Some of these people are seriously unstable. I certainly wouldn’t want to walk into a classroom with them if they had a gun.


1,238 posted on 04/16/2007 11:26:41 AM PDT by ilovew (Almost a college graduate!!!)
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To: Spktyr

Only the former Boy Scouts would “Be Prepared”.


1,239 posted on 04/16/2007 11:26:58 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Wave Britainnia...Britannia waives the rules!")
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To: mystery-ak

That sounds like an accurate and very sophisticated scenario.


1,240 posted on 04/16/2007 11:27:04 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Spktyr

I have not heard any news that there are 30 round magazines for a 9 mm, only 15-17. Wow.


1,241 posted on 04/16/2007 11:27:50 AM PDT by myprecious
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To: ilovew

Ok folks

For those of us stuck in cubicles..whats the latest on the ID of the shooter, and how many were there?

are they still alive?


1,242 posted on 04/16/2007 11:27:54 AM PDT by Armedanddangerous (Master of Sinanju (emeritus))
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To: tcrlaf

YEP!!


1,243 posted on 04/16/2007 11:27:57 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: LexHoskin
In elementary school, we kids would bring our father's bring-backs in for show and tell. In junior high and high school. History teachers brought in period firearms and passed them around the class. In high school, students drove to school in their pickups with guns on racks ready to go hunting after class. We all carried pocket knifes.

Funny how we never heard of someone walking into a school and start shooting.

1,244 posted on 04/16/2007 11:28:06 AM PDT by fso301
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To: ilovew
I can’t think of anyone on my campus I would feel comfortable with knowing they had a gun.

Like this guy?

And what about knives? Everyone on campus has access to those.

1,245 posted on 04/16/2007 11:28:13 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: DCPatriot

As slow as FR is right now this will take forever to post....just heard from my husband again...he’s a LEO here outside Richmond, Va.

Latest State Police report at 1:15pm stated perp was an Asian male and he shot himself. FBI and ATF are on scene. They believe the perp MAY have had military or law enforcement training and cannot rule out terrorism (they actually said a link to Al Qaeda) since this was a massive school shooting. They noted in the report that schools are often the target of terrorism over seas.

That was basically all in the report besides the number of fatalities.. Will post again if he calls me with any more info.


1,246 posted on 04/16/2007 11:28:27 AM PDT by VirginiaMom
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To: HonestConservative

1,247 posted on 04/16/2007 11:28:29 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican (Everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
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To: trumandogz

MSNBC saying that past shootings and this shooting at colleges done by asians.. who are angry!!! please!! MSNBC you are a joke... you would think you would have learned your lessons last week.


1,248 posted on 04/16/2007 11:28:33 AM PDT by JFC
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To: ilovew

You think mere rules stop the seriously unstable from having one?


1,249 posted on 04/16/2007 11:28:37 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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This is very scary. I have two older brothers that work at Universities. One at Temple the other at California University,(in PA) They both say the same thing about where they work: loaded with robot,Bush hating liberals.


1,250 posted on 04/16/2007 11:28:39 AM PDT by 4yearlurker (Liberals, A terrorists best friend!)
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