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To: GOP_1900AD
The threads of Marxist and Islamist radicalism intersect on our campuses and in other radical quarters.

A very pertinent observation.

His railing about hedonism, debauchery and degeneracy does NOT come from marxism. (It's hard to be more degenerate or hedonist than the radical left.)

But a lot of his other rants are straight leftist drivel.

995 posted on 04/18/2007 7:16:50 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn
His railing about hedonism, debauchery and degeneracy does NOT come from marxism.

I've seen thousands of rants about hedonism, debauchery, and degeneracy on Free Republic.

1,000 posted on 04/18/2007 7:19:06 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

As I’ve mentioned in other threads what I find interesting is that the letter that was found from the Seattle raver massacre shooter (Which has been completely forgotten in both the MSM and here on FR) also had him ranting against the “immoral” rave kids making him sick.


1,006 posted on 04/18/2007 7:21:01 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn
His railing about hedonism, debauchery and degeneracy does NOT come from marxism.

I think alot of what this kid was ranting about came from Jean Meslier - He was a priest (In the Middle Ages) but published a scathing diatribe against Christianity. It wasn't found til after he died. He was considered a radical enlightenist, but today, its somewhat of a guru to the Athiest and his work is considered a Manifesto in some circles.

In his 'Testament' you will find the phrase "deceitful charlatans," which Cho used the other day. Here's some excepts from Meslier, (I haven't seen all what Cho has written), but its in the flavor of what we have seen. Meslier rants alot against Christianity :

The ministers of religion, who dominate your consciences, are the greatest deceivers of the peoples, whereas the princes and the other great of this world, who dominate your bodies and your assets, are the biggest thieves and murderers on earth. All those who have come, said Jesus-Christ, are robbers and thieves. Omnes quotquot venerunt, fures sunt et latrones.

All the more reason, my dear friends, are we entitled to blame, to hate and to dislike, as I do now, all those ministers of nonsense and iniquity who dominate you so tyrannically, using their power either on your consciences, or on your bodies and your assets.

For all those reasons, he wished that all the great of this world and all the nobles be hanged and strangled with the guts of the priests.(1) That expression certainly sounds rude and gross, but one has to admit that it is frank and guileless. It is short, yet expressive, since it expresses in fairly few words all that those people deserve. As far as I am concerned, my dear friends, if I had a wish to utter on the subject and I would certainly make it if only it could come true I would wish that I had the arms and the strength of a Hercules to rid the world of all vice and iniquity, and to have the pleasure of braining all those monsters of nonsense and iniquity, that make all the peoples of the earth groan so miserably.

You may say, my dear friends, that I am partly talking against myself, since I myself am of the same character and profession as those whom I hereby call the greatest deceivers of peoples. I am indeed talking against my own profession, but not against my own inclination or feelings. For, since I have never been inclined to frivolous beliefs or superstition, and since I never was foolish enough to adhere to any of the mysterious follies of religion, I never was inclined to practice them either, let alone to speak highly about them, or to approve them in any way. On the contrary, I would always have willingly displayed all the contempt that I have for them, had I been allowed to speak my mind and feelings freely about them. And thus, although I was easily driven to enter priesthood when I was young, to please my parents who were delighted to see me there, because they considered priesthood as a milder, more quiet and more honorable way of life than for the average man I can however say truly that never the sight of a worldly benefit ever inclined me to like the practice of a profession so full of errors and imposture. I never came to like the taste of most of those fellows and fine gentlemen who enjoy so much taking and receiving greedily the lavish remunerations they are given for the vain functions of their ministry.

I will try, for all my weakness and my lack of spirit, I will hereby try, my dear friends, to ingenuously show you the truth, and to make you see the vanity and fallacy of all the allegedly so great, so sane, so divine and so adorable mysteries which your priests, your preachers and your doctors compel you to believe, under pain of eternal damnation, as they say. I will try, as I said, to show you the vanity and fallacy of it. As for the priests, preachers, doctors and all those who are responsible for such lies, such nonsense and such impostures, let them be scandalized and shocked as much as they like after my death; let them call me an impious person, an apostate, a blasphemer and an atheist if they like; let them shower me with insults and curse me as much as they like, I will not feel embarrassed about it, since this will not worry me a bit. In the same way, let them do whatever they want with my body; let them chop it into pieces, roast it or fricassee it, even eat it, if they want, with whatever sauce they like, it will cause me no grief at all. I will be out of their reach then; I shall no longer fear anything.

I realize this is a somewhat lenghty rant, but I really think Cho was a follower of this Philosophy. You can read the complete rant here: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7842/jbconv16.htm

1,094 posted on 04/18/2007 8:02:25 PM PDT by 11th_VA (VRWC Local 774)
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