What happened with that?
Posted on 04/19/2007 11:04:50 AM PDT by Mia T
Yeah, when I get in "the zone" I'm quick on the draw sometime. ;)
It probably would have been better to have just posted an "oops" than to have had the messages deleted, though.
Almost everyone here at FreeRepublic are already in the mainstream of the GOP, because the GOP is comprised of several elements: Religious Right Conservatives, Pro-Life Conservatives, Pro-2nd Amendment Conservatives, etc. These elements always have voted Republican in past elections, and we have always had candidates who unite the party.
Rudy Giuliani, his handlers and his supporters who have never "thought outside the New York box" are wrongly assuming that those conservative elements will abandon their principles in order to win. No, you must run a candidate that can unite ALL Republicans. The fact that Rudy says "If you don't like my positions, don't vote for me" will be taken literally, both in the primaries and in the November general election.
Here's the key: America is not a "bigger version of New York". New York is a caricature of politics. It represents everything that most family-values oriented Republicans cannot accept.
In any case, Thompson is hardly a 'citizen politician.' He is very much a part of the DC power structure.
As for his winning attributes, listen to Lamar Alexander: EARTH TO LAMAR: FRED THOMPSON LOOKING THE PART AIN'T ENOUGH (41-second video FLUB)
What if Thompson's sole purpose is to give McCain the nomination by skimming off just enough conservatives from Rudy? (NB: gross is net, i.e., McCain has no conservative support to lose.) FRED'S GREATEST ROLE?: an alternative theory of Senator Thompson's not-yet candidacy
Easy enough to say with 20/20 hindsight. Every major deregulation is preceded by dire warnings of disasters, from those who benefit from the power of being able to control via regulation.
I also take strong exception to your implication that Thompson doesn't have the "character and political courage to legislate against self-interest" -- in fact, his Senate record shows he consistently voted in favor of limiting Congress' power in matters best left to states. On the other hand, an authoritarian like Guiliani has a record of pressing for laws, and manipulating the system for his own agenda and purposes.
In any case, Thompson is hardly a 'citizen politician.' He is very much a part of the DC power structure.
Depends on your point of view. He has a life and a career outside of DC, but he has some measure of influence within.
What if Thompson's sole purpose is to give McCain the nomination by skimming off just enough conservatives from Rudy?
I could just as well ask if Guiliani's sole purpose is to split the GOP to guarantee Clinton the election should she win the nomination? Lord knows he's pretty much just like them anyway...
Also on this ridiculous point -- one of Thompson's most admirable traits is that is is patently honest and plainly spoken, despite having a brilliant legal mind. The man says what he means, and means what he says. If he says he's thinking about running for President, then that's what he's going to do. He's not anybody's proxy or "stalking horse". He's not a "politician" in the modern sense. If he's in, he's in it to win it.
Well, if so, why are 70+% of Republicans in favor of one of the top 3 candidates, none of whom garner any support from the social right? In fact, in one recent survey, a large number of the RR said they would vote for Giuliani if he were nominated.
But then most conservatives are pro-life to a varying degree. Many would make exceptions, while most of those here wouldn't. Most conservatives are pro-2d Amendment, but understand that it doesn't mean an F-18 in every driveway.
The difference is that these issues, while important to many of the conservatives in the Party, are not what is driving this election, and they understand that.
Rudy Giuliani, his handlers and his supporters who have never "thought outside the New York box" are wrongly assuming that those conservative elements will abandon their principles in order to win.
To the contrary, all of the top three candidates, not just Rudy, understand that conservatives want a safe Nation first and foremost. They understand that conservatives want a sane fiscal policy, and they want a leader who can bring together both the Party and the conservatives from the Democrat Party as well as the independents. Most of those folks have social values, but do not put them before the security of this Nation.
No, you must run a candidate that can unite ALL Republicans. The fact that Rudy says "If you don't like my positions, don't vote for me" will be taken literally, both in the primaries and in the November general election.
I doubt it very much. But for those who do not vote to bring a Republican into office, they can gleefully take credit for anything done by Hillary, including 2 or 3 USSC justices, a complete reversal of our leadership in the war on terror, an increase in income taxes and a substantial increase in the socialist policies she believes in.
But for those who don't really care if they can't get their one percenter nominated, I say again, don't let the screen door hit you in the a$$!
You take care.
Bears repeating. I would add electing Rudy Guiliani to the self-destructive things we want to avoid.
You’re right, of course, should Giuliani win the nomination we must support him. Any democratic alternative is much, much, worse.
Amen and amen.
Must be a riot at Giuliani Campaign Central, going through the list, deciding who Roto-Rooty puckers up to next.
Must have an aide just to keep Rooty's kneepads in ship-shape condition for constantly kneeling in obeisance.
One of the more profound statements of the day, and worth repeating, if I do say so myself!
Mia T is no longer allowed to post on FR. She asked me to express her regrets that she cannot answer your thoughtful comments.
She would like to thank everyone who has extended support and kindness to her over the years.
If you cannot do this, I will understand.
thanx~mia :)
America is not a "bigger version of New York." New York is a caricature of politics. It represents everything that most family-values oriented Republicans cannot accept."
Oh no! This is ... too much.
What happened with that?
BTTT
WHAT???
WHAT??? What do you mean she isn`t allowed to post? Wow, she was one of my favorite Freepers! What happened? I hope you don`t mean she is unable to post meaning she is ill? I can`t understand why she wouldn`t be allowed, please not at this time when Hellary is running for POTUS!
Unbelievable!
Mia gone? the shark just jumped.
You left out creative ... she is one of the creative minds at FR. I cannot imagine what could cause this turn of fortunes.
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