You said — “Uh I keep coming back to naive. You think this is any different than any war in any time in history. Our minds work overtime raising the standards of truth. Nevertheless, you are saying you are drinking Waxman’s Koolaid.”
Well, I see many government agencies doing that kind of stuff, wartime or not. It seems to be a habit with them (and legislators, too for that matter). As far as Waxman, I’ve seen several people raise his name up, althought I haven’t heard a word he’s said on the issue. I have no idea what he’s saying. I never voted for him and if he was in my area, I wouldn’t.
But, somehow the issue of “telling the truth” — seems to be perceived as “Waxman’s territory” — for some unknown reason. I had no idea Waxman was such an advocate of the government telling the truth (or a legislator, for that matter, like I said above).
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Lastly — “This sort of talk is the sort that had Jim Robinson calling you names. This is the most accurate and timely information a society has ever had in a time of war. Folks who want to complain about their mink coat being itchy can find someone to listen to the rant. That doesn’t mean that real people don’t know better than give it any mind.”
Well, you misunderstood that quote then. Robinson didn’t call me that. He called someone else that. I was just making reference to that statement from Robinson, in light of someone else’s comments.
And without getting any more bogged down in the issue, the general idea that I’m following is that it doesn’t matter what party is involved or what government agency is involved — they all better be telling the truth of the matter, whatever their area of expertise is.
If Waxman is somehow championing that idea (and I have no idea because I don’t listen to him) — well, all I can say, then (if he’s doing) is he must have been reading me on Free Republic....
As I begin to sense this, I start getting frustrated with your behavior. So I was gently trying to equate your behavior with an example of boorishness that you had mentioned.
Folks recoil at Waxman because they know he doesn't care about a thing that he is going on about. They know he only cares about demoralizing the American people. Because, you seem to be buying this hook, line and sinker. And spreading and amplifying this line, you start looking like their traveling companion.
You protest wanting the truth, but instead you seem to want to believe the worst. To speculate on how a charge of lying that is unsupported is worthy of packing your belief in what the Military shares is just wrong. Its a very immature and naive stance and this is why this comes back to me each time we kick words back and forth.
Adults know the impossibility of establishing a single truth for any event other than by consensus. This doesn't mean that an objective truth doesn't exist, it means that the more contentious the issue is, the more the spin can distort the facts by interpretation.
As has been clearly established, nothing exposed in these hearings has been "News." Instead, these hearings have just been a platform for charging the Military for poor news coverage due to reporters who basically are interested in an interesting story rather than any notion of the "truth." The military is responsible for researching and reporting the facts to itself and eventually to the public as is appropriate. In past conflicts, most of these details would just have been ignored or suppressed. The amount of sharing now is the greatest it has ever been and on the whole it has just been more problematic for our ability to prevail.
This whole conflict resembles the American Civil War where the action in the public of the North was almost the determining factor in the outcome of the war. Only Sherman's capture and burning of Atlanta stood between Lincoln losing the election and the North surrendering.
But, Sherman captured Atlanta and within months the fortunes of the Copperheads went from winning to being dog meat.
At the end, the spin interpretation that the Democrats have been weaving is not accepted by the Vietnam Vets who lived through this crap once already, or by the current Iraq War Vets and their families. The Democrats and their traveling companions are doing everything they can to demoralize these groups and get them to accept defeat and get them to blame Bush for this defeat rather than the Democrats. This tactic is as old as time. The MSM is a willing accomplice, but some folks have the intellectual foundation to see these folks for who they are and the words they are spinning for the treasonous, bitter lies they are. YOU SEEM TO BE HAPPY SPREADING THIS CRAP. I don't know why.