The disarming of America (mega-barf, fascism is here)

The Toledo Blade ^ | 4-95-07 | Dan Simpson

[atomic conspiracy]

Now, how would one disarm the American population? First of all, federal or state laws would need to make it a crime punishable by a $1,000 fine and one year in prison per weapon to possess a firearm......

The disarmament process would begin after the initial three-month amnesty......

Special squads of police would be formed and trained to carry out the work. Then, on a random basis to permit no advance warning, city blocks and stretches of suburban and rural areas would be cordoned off and searches carried out in every business, dwelling, and empty building. All firearms would be seized. The owners of weapons found in the searches would be prosecuted: $1,000 and one year in prison for each firearm. Clearly, since such sweeps could not take place all across the country at the same time. But fairly quickly there would begin to be gun-swept, gun-free areas where there should be no firearms. If there were, those carrying them would be subject to quick confiscation and prosecution. On the streets it would be a question of stop-and-search of anyone, even grandma with her walker, with the same penalties for "carrying."

[School of Rational Thought]

Thus the Schutzstaffel (SS) or “protection squad” was

[volunbeer]

I think a .50 caliber could set a 747 on fire while sitting on the runway with an incendiary round quite easily. You don’t have to hit it in the air when it is essentially a rolling fuel tank with people on board.

If one were to get in the right spot at a busy airport I would imagine you could do tremendous damage with a rifle and cartridge designed to destroy light skinned vehicles.

I don’t imagine we will see a publicized test any time soon but from my time with Uncle Sam and the shooting I have done with .50 caliber rifles as a civilian I would bet you could light a commercial aircraft on fire quite easily.

[jess35]

It was a survey done back on 1994 by LTC Guy Cunningham as part of a Masters thesis. It was called the "Combat Arms Survey" or "Twenty-nine Palms Survey". I remember it being a huge deal when it was first leaked. The responses were broken down by time in service and basically, the younger more inexperienced respondees were more likely to follow an order to fire upon American citizens if under orders to disarm American citizens. The purpose of the survey was to show how uninformed many of the younger soldiers were about the Constitution and history of the country.

Unfortunately, the majority of the younger soldiers agreed with this question:

46. The U.S. government declares a ban on the possession, sale, transportation, and transfer of all non-approved firearms. A 30-day amnesty period is established for these firearms to be turned over to the local authorities. At the end of this period, a number of irregular citizen groups and defiant individuals refuse to turn over their firearms to authority. Consider the following statement: [SD D A SA NO] "I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the United States government."

[lndrvr1972]

Sounds like Germany in the 1930’s.

[magellan]

Liberalism is a mental disorder.

[tet68]

Appearently Dan has never read, “Unintended Consequences”.

[Clinging Bitterly]

just a bump

[CGTRWK]

Then, on a random basis to permit no advance warning, city blocks and stretches of suburban and rural areas would be cordoned off and searches carried out in every business, dwelling, and empty building.

Imagine the weeks of outrage if an alleged conservative suggested these gestapo sweeps to round up a liberal interest group like abortionists or perverts or welfare frauds.

Politicians at all levels from both sides of the aisle would trample women and babies in their rush to a camera to publicly denounce the idea.

Congress would stage investigations. They would push through a TOLERANCE (Treat Our Leftist Enemies with Respect; Allow No Christian Expression) Act to ban such speech in the future.

But when the liberals openly talk about doing these things to us, it's free exchange of ideas or some such garbage and the only place it's criticized is to each other on the rightwing blogs.

Dan Simpson, come and take them.

[dpa5923]

I am having a hell of a time finding the survey or official results on the survey.

I was able to find this link on Free Republic (of all places) discussing the survey (http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a385270a0236b.htm). Serious questions about the survey are raised of course. It seems, according to some posters, that a large number of Marines refused to take the survey, thus grossly skewing any results. Also the infamous question 46 results are broken down as such...

The Responses
Of the 300 U.S. Marines asked this question, 264, or 88% of them responded. The outcome of the survey was as follows:

Strongly disagree - 127 (42.33%)
Disagree - 58 (19.33%)
Agree - 56 (18.67%)
Strongly agree - 23 (7.67%)
No opinion - 36 (12.00%)

Total: 300 (100.00%)

That would mean over 61% disagree and could be assumed would not fire on American citizens in order to enforce gun confiscation.

12% reportedly have no opinion, and 23.34% would agree and hence assumed would fire upon American citizens. A disturbing number, but hardly a majority as claimed.

Again, I am having trouble finding certified results on line. If you have a link, please present it.

But until someone can show me a scientific poll was conducted and the results indicate that a majority of US Marine would fire on American citizens to confiscate firearms, I am raising the BS flag.

I was born in Missouri...

Show me!

[Afronaut]

"Special squads of police would be formed and trained to carry out the work."

Nice tought?

What a Maroon, he is from another planet, Space or Time.

[Osage Orange]

Well during the amnesty period...I'd just hide my guns. Then once their little "sweep" happened...I'd go get my gun's.

I'm just a dumb okie...but if I can figure that out..so can the bad guys.

[dpa5923]

I am still finding it difficult to find the actual survey and results, but I can find articles discussing the survey. This one (http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2003/libe209-20030203-05.html) provides this interesting tidbit...

"The U.S. government declares a ban on the possession, sale, transportation, and transfer of all non-sporting firearms. A thirty (30) day amnesty period is permitted for these firearms to be turned over to the local authorities. At the end of this period, a number of citizen groups refuse to turn over their firearms. Consider the following statement: I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the U.S. government."

"Based on the disagreement expressed by 61 percent of the Marines, Cunningham concluded that "a complete unit breakdown would occur in a unit tasked to execute this mission."

Twenty-Nine Palms Survey: What Really Motivated Its Author? by John F. McManus
The New American Magazine October 2, 1994

It appears that my BS flag was a good call. A majority of those surveyed (even in this grossly unscientific poll) would not fire on American citizens in order to enforce gun confiscation.

[DuncanWaring]

One other article I read on said survey a while back quoted one of the respondents (part of the 61%, I presume) as saying “I’d shoot the officer who gave me that order”.

[E Rocc]

The part that compares the British dealings with the IRA to what a gun-grabber American government would face is particularly telling.

-Eric