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Jamestown -- the birth of a nation 400 years ago
Yahoo (AFP) ^ | 29 April 2007 | by Jocelyne Zablit

Posted on 05/01/2007 3:28:31 AM PDT by Thinkin' Gal

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To: gathersnomoss
Bernard Goldberg makes an excellent point in his new book, Crazies to the Left of Me, Wimps to the Right, that lefties are willing to make more allowances for poor, misunderstood, downtrodden terrorists than they are for the folks who founded our nation. Sigh.
41 posted on 05/01/2007 9:00:35 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: mewzilla
Those 38 surviving settlers really reduced the resources available for the native tribes (about 1 per square mile population density, I think).

I think the descendants of the Powhatan Indians might want to express regrets over the massacre of 1622.

Virginia, by the way, had the beginnings of representative government in 1619--the year before the Pilgrims landed at Plymouth Rock.

42 posted on 05/01/2007 9:03:16 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: EDINVA

My husband is the history/geography expert in this household...I’m still navigating all the nooks and crannies here on the Shore.....so I’m not exactly sure exactly where his itinerary plans to take us.

Monticello is high on my lists of places to see. I’m actually growing heirloom peppers that Jefferson grew there, that of course is not the only reason, but just kind of a neat tidbit of information I found in a seed catalog and so decided to get them.

We love road trip excurions, but after living 20 years in Delaware the shear size of the Commonwealth is daunting to me. Delaware has a great deal of history itself, but unlike Virginia the size was conducive to day trips. Because of our location, most places we all want to see here can’t be done that way, so it makes it a bit more complicated. But we’re working on it :)


43 posted on 05/01/2007 9:13:18 AM PDT by Gabz (I like mine with lettuce and tomato, heinz57 and french-fried potatoes)
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To: Thinkin' Gal
"1607 marks the beginning of the English taking our land away from us," said Chief Bill Miles, who heads the Pamunkey Indian tribe in Virginia..."

"Our land", Chief? I thought the natives at the time didn't own any land. How could they have? They didn't even know what land ownership was until the concept was introduced by the Europeans, and even then they had difficulty understanding it.

Cordially,

44 posted on 05/01/2007 9:13:52 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: gathersnomoss

Perfect trip for a 10 yr old. BBQ at the Lightfoot exit off I-64, a little west of Williamsburg. Enjoy!!!


45 posted on 05/01/2007 9:20:52 AM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....when the sidewalks are safe for the little guy.)
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To: SlowBoat407; Just another Joe; lockjaw02; coolbreeze
Gabz, let me know when you’re in the Hampton Roads area. We’ll find some good places for you eat.

I sure will!

The last time we were there for dinner we never got beyond Hooters.......it was a convenient location ofr the out of town Freepers to get to to meet the local Freeper, and then we just got comfy and decided against venturing elsewhere!!!!

46 posted on 05/01/2007 9:21:03 AM PDT by Gabz (I like mine with lettuce and tomato, heinz57 and french-fried potatoes)
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To: Thinkin' Gal
"1607 marks the beginning of the English taking our land away from us," said Chief Bill Miles, who heads the Pamunkey Indian tribe in Virginia, which existed when the Jamestown settlers arrived and whose members have refused to take part in the 400th anniversary festivities. And who did they first steal it from? All land is is either conquest or purchase. They may have been on it when we kicked them off, but I guarentee someone or something else lived on it before them!
47 posted on 05/01/2007 9:23:18 AM PDT by Bommer (Global Warming: The only warming phenomena that occurs in the Summer and ends in the Winter!)
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To: Thinkin' Gal; Gelato

Like many, I procrastinated in studying my family tree my whole life, until recently. In the course of my studies, I was shocked to learn how many of my forebears were tied to the earliest settlement of Tidewater Virginia, including those who were on these very ships. The discovery has deepened my appreciation for how blessed I am to live in this great country.


48 posted on 05/01/2007 9:31:00 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: Gabz
Bot to intrude but since you will be in Jamestown visiting why not take a ride up Route #5. It has easy access from the Ferry Road and with all of the River Plantations along the James makes ones eyes tear from the beauty, Visit former Presidents homes, out buildings and not spend a fortune in doing. Continue up the highway and visit historic Richmond, Petersburg, see th old battlefields and enjoy the richness the state of Virgina has to offer. Yes, I have lived here almost my life and enjoy it more and more each day. Have a great day, I know your child would get a years worth of History in a days time from her trip up this one highway.
49 posted on 05/01/2007 9:34:55 AM PDT by cav68
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To: Gabz
Bot to intrude but since you will be in Jamestown visiting why not take a ride up Route #5. It has easy access from the Ferry Road and with all of the River Plantations along the James makes ones eyes tear from the beauty, Visit former Presidents homes, out buildings and not spend a fortune in doing. Continue up the highway and visit historic Richmond, Petersburg, see th old battlefields and enjoy the richness the state of Virgina has to offer. Yes, I have lived here almost my life and enjoy it more and more each day. Have a great day, I know your child would get a years worth of History in a days time from her trip up this one highway.
50 posted on 05/01/2007 9:35:06 AM PDT by cav68
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I am not familiar with the road numbers, so thank you for the info. Your post describes my perfect idea of a history viewing roadtrip excursion.

I was born and raised in NYC, but never ventured upstate to Albany. Our daughter was born in Dover, Delaware and so is familiar with the history of that city and state. So seeing Richmond is a must do on my list, and not just for her but for me, particularly now that the renovations to the capitol are done and it once again open to the public.


51 posted on 05/01/2007 9:42:51 AM PDT by Gabz (I like mine with lettuce and tomato, heinz57 and french-fried potatoes)
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To: EDINVA

One of my ancestors is believed to have been among the first in Jamestown, but he didn’t stay. He went back to England (after getting shipwrecked) & returned to America on the Mayflower.


52 posted on 05/01/2007 10:59:19 AM PDT by GoLightly
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"We now tell the story of Jamestown as the place where the people of three cultures came together, not only the English," said Mike Litterst

If the English settlers hadn't arrived, I wonder what would be the story to remember on this soil today.

53 posted on 05/01/2007 1:53:44 PM PDT by GretchenM (What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Please meet my friend, Jesus)
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To: EternalVigilance; aculeus

Thanks for the nice story! I am enjoying reading the comments here. Too bad the author had to peddle the obligatory PC evil-white-man schlock.


54 posted on 05/01/2007 4:49:53 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: GretchenM; Yehuda
If the English settlers hadn't arrived, I wonder what would be the story to remember on this soil today.

It would have remained a malaria-infested swamp until the Jews arrived to solve the problems only to be subsequently blamed for all of the continents ills, real or imagined.

55 posted on 05/01/2007 4:54:27 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Thinkin' Gal

Yeah, no kiddin’. It’s nuts.


56 posted on 05/01/2007 5:02:13 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: Thinkin' Gal

Actually, in my family, throughout many different lines, there is a tradition that we are descended from Capt. John Smith and Pocahontas. It is said that they had two children, Peregrin and Mary. Supposedly Peregrin is our forebear.

While there are no official records to back it up, I don’t totally discount it, based on the recorded events and the known history of that time.

Very interesting stuff! :-)


57 posted on 05/01/2007 5:33:34 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: EternalVigilance
Your comments are a great example of why I find genealogy research so fascinating. It is a popular American hobby because many Americans have an overwhelming desire to discover who they are and where they came from. That's because it's not simply a matter of going back a couple of generations to locate the village where all the ancestors lived for hundreds of years. American genealogy is by its nature a journey of mystery and intrique, with each participant clutching his own personal treasure map, heading out on an exciting and rewarding adventure into the unknown. I don't think this is an accident of history, but an instinct imprinted deep within our American DNA.
58 posted on 05/01/2007 7:53:17 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Thinkin' Gal

If you know where you come from, you understand better where and who you are - which makes it easier to discern where you’re going.


59 posted on 05/01/2007 7:58:32 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: Thinkin' Gal

I also found others who were among the earliest in Jamestown...including one of its earliest preachers. The family tree has lots of roots in the Tidewater.

Another branch were Quakers who came into PA in the earliest days with William Penn.

They were among the first families that went into KY with Daniel Boone. The first into Missouri right after the Louisiana Purchase. The first into Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, Colorado and CA. One of my great-great-great grandfathers was Joel Estes, who discovered what is now Estes Park, CO. It is said that his wife Patsy swept the cabin with eagle’s wings. :-)

One more thing: My grandmother’s great-uncle was a man named Jesse Hiatt, one of the early settlers of Madison Co., IA. He planted a big apple orchard there. In between the rows a wild apple tree sprung up. He cut it down, but the next year it grew back. So, he cut it down again. The next year, it grew again, so he famously said, “If thee must grow, thee may.” So, he let it grow and tended it for ten years before it bore a single crop. But, when it did, it was the best apple they had ever tasted. He named it the “Hawkeye.” He took it to a fair, where a rep for a MO nursery company tasted one of these delicious apples. He was crazy about it! But Jesse had already gone home, and there was no way to contact him. So, they waited until the next year, praying he would come back. And, sure enough, he did. So, they bought the rights to the Hawkeye apple from him, which gave him a modest amount of money to fix up his house and pay some bills. The punchline? They changed the name of the Hawkeye to “Delicious,” and the rest is history! :-)


60 posted on 05/01/2007 8:26:27 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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