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Reid Misplays His Hand: "War Is Lost" Comment Risks Ending Dems' Hot Streak
The New Republic ^ | May 2, 2007 | Thomas B. Edsall

Posted on 05/02/2007 1:34:28 PM PDT by presidio9

In my poker game, we split the pot between the "best" and "worst" hands — which encourages more people to stay in and to bet more so that, with the right cards and smart playing, there is a nice pile of chips to win. Consequently, every player's dream is to get dealt a two-way hand, one that wins both high and low.

Over the past two years, President Bush and his Republican colleagues have been dealing great hands to their Democratic adversaries. The Iraq war, Tom DeLay, Jack Abramoff, Mark Foley, Randy Cunningham, Harriet Miers, Scooter Libby, Alberto Gonzales, the RNC e-mail accounts. The great hands just keep coming. But card players know that you have good and bad runs. A key measure of a player is how well he or she maximizes profits from the winners and minimizes losses from marginal hands.

The same is true in politics. One person who ought to know this is the senior senator from Nevada, of all places, Majority Leader Harry Reid. But Reid took the winning Iraq card that the Bush administration dealt to him and proceeded to misplay the hand, telling reporters: "this war is lost."

What, you may ask, is wrong with that? Wasn't Reid simply making an accurate statement? Perhaps, but there are at least three things wrong with Reid's strategy. First and foremost, the Senate Democratic leader turned himself into the messenger of defeat, which of course quickly became the message itself: Republicans have been extraordinarily stupid in recent months, but they still know what to do if opportunity knocks. "When a top Democrat tells reporters he believes the war is lost," said House Minority Leader John Boehner, "he is telling American troops they have failed. And he is telling our enemies they have won.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: defeatocrats; harryreid

1 posted on 05/02/2007 1:34:31 PM PDT by presidio9
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To: presidio9

Reid is a traitor to the USA. He can not possibly care for his country.


2 posted on 05/02/2007 1:41:33 PM PDT by tessalu
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To: presidio9

I would say that this is true for just about any thing the socialist democrat party stands for....show US their true agenda/beliefs and they will loose. The socialist dems have been emboldened by their loony base and by not understanding the last elections....keep talking loony libs, keep talking.


3 posted on 05/02/2007 1:42:37 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: presidio9

I like shorter metaphors


4 posted on 05/02/2007 1:42:49 PM PDT by sure_fine ( not one to over kill the thought process)
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To: presidio9

Good article.


5 posted on 05/02/2007 1:43:08 PM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: presidio9
In my poker game, we split the pot between the "best" and "worst" hands — which encourages more people to stay in and to bet more so that, with the right cards and smart playing, there is a nice pile of chips to win.

Liberal Hold-My-Hand Poker?............

6 posted on 05/02/2007 1:43:58 PM PDT by Red Badger (My gerund got caught in my diphthong, and now I have a dangling participle...............)
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To: presidio9
“Republicans have been extraordinarily stupid in recent months, but they still know what to do if opportunity knocks....”

Boy, this the truth. But I am not sure they know how to take advantage of this. The PR machine for the GOP is completely broken and inept.

7 posted on 05/02/2007 1:44:38 PM PDT by The South Texan (The Drive By Media is America's worst enemy and American people don't know it.)
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To: presidio9

Promising to lose will make one heck of a party platform for the `08 elections.


8 posted on 05/02/2007 1:45:06 PM PDT by SmithL (si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: presidio9

The first time this dirtbag opened his mouth was enough for me.Traitor!


9 posted on 05/02/2007 1:46:16 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: tessalu
"Reid is a traitor to the USA. He can not possibly care for his country."

Reid's al-Qaeda masters will have him in an orange jumpsuit soon for his latest failure...

10 posted on 05/02/2007 1:46:48 PM PDT by avacado
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To: The South Texan
-—they should be going after Reid as the traitor he is and putting Dianne Feinstein in the cell next to Randy Cunningham—
11 posted on 05/02/2007 1:49:31 PM PDT by rellimpank (-don't believe anything the MSM states about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: presidio9
From the article:

If Reid is right and the war is lost, he didn't lose it; Bush and his subordinates did.

Wrong. Reid and his divisive partisan fellow-travelers including in the US media did make the war much, much tougher than it would have been had the terrorists in Iraq seen a united domestic front in the US determined to beat them and to stick with the effort to liberate Iraq.

Reid, Pelosi and other Democrats claiming to be fit for leadership could have and should have acted responsibily and worked with the president to convince Americans to be patient in the effort, and to offer constructive criticism of where we were going wrong to try to bring about change. Their carping instead insured the administration dug in their heals at times rather than admitting to and fixing mistakes for fear of having their political enemies beat them over the head with them. A more constructive approach by the so-called Democratic leaders would have held the nation together on the war and likely caused our enemies to give up hope of ever prevailing in Iraq. Instead, our enemies heard the disloyal American political opposition say "Spill more US blood and we'll help dispirit the American public." The terrorists gladly complied.

The terrorists were shown by Reid and the lock-step partisans of the Democratic party and US news media that we didn't have the stomach for a tough fight. So the terrorists made sure to give us one thinking based on the divisive, angry rhetoric of the Democrats which ripped the nation apart that they could beat us politically when they could never beat us militarily. Had Al Qaeda in Iraq seen the nation united and determined, I'm convinced they'd have given up Iraq long ago.

No, quite to the contrary of what the writer claims, if this war is lost it will have been on the back of Democratic efforts to divide the nation on the war which emboldened our enemies, all for the purpose of cheap political gain and to give vent to their endless determination to damage the president. Unseemly at best, treasonous at worst.

12 posted on 05/02/2007 1:53:07 PM PDT by MikeA (The US news media are the Democratic Party's organ grinder monkeys.)
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To: presidio9

The stupid, and it really was stupid, comment from Reid, combined with the Surrender Vote and Bush’s subsequent VETO is causing a lot of embarrassment for the oh-so-smart Dems.

I predict that soon, Reid or some other Dem will do something or say something really outrageous to distract from their ineptness.


13 posted on 05/02/2007 1:54:10 PM PDT by subterfuge (Today, Tolerance =greatest virtue;Hypocrisy=worst character defect; Discrimination =worst atrocity)
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To: presidio9
Wasn't Reid simply making an accurate statement? [that the war is lost] Perhaps...

Even this writer doesn't get it. The idea that the United States Military can "lose" a war against a handful of savages blowing up civilians is ludicrous. We can't possibly "lose" the war. We can only quit. Those are the terms Republicans should be using against dems. They're quitters, pure and simple. It's utterly impossible for us to "lose".

14 posted on 05/02/2007 1:55:36 PM PDT by narby
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To: narby
We can't possibly "lose" the war. We can only quit. Those are the terms Republicans should be using against dems.

Actually, I have been sort of expecting Fred Thompson to say something like this for some time now. The other Republicans seem too timid to do it.

At the moment, Fred seems to be focusing his soundbites on domestic issues.

15 posted on 05/02/2007 2:00:46 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9
What hot streak? The democrats have yet to pass what they thought to be the easiest legislation which is to raise the minimum wage.
16 posted on 05/02/2007 2:02:31 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: The South Texan
In order to have a PR machine you need a media on your side. 90% of the media belong to the democrats, period.

Guys you need to stop being obsessed with this PR machine crap, it is really overrated, it is consuming so much energy and it is making you totally depressed and ineffective. Yesterday we saw one man defeating 269 traitors with a stroke of a pen, that is power, and thank you very much Founding Fathers.

17 posted on 05/02/2007 2:06:02 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: presidio9

bttt!


18 posted on 05/02/2007 2:08:15 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: presidio9; All
Reid even REPEATED his mantra today to the press after his meeting with Pres. Bush: "the war is lost". He did so SEVERAL TIMES! Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket
19 posted on 05/02/2007 2:09:30 PM PDT by TheRobb7 (Liberalism exists to silence people who don't agree.)
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To: presidio9

Good article, thanks for posting.

SZ


20 posted on 05/02/2007 2:10:08 PM PDT by SZonian (Fighting Caliphobia one detractor at a time)
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To: Red Badger

“Liberal Hold-My-Hand Poker?............” Or pull my finger. This is too easy.


21 posted on 05/02/2007 2:16:31 PM PDT by billhilly (My former tag line.)
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To: sure_fine

That was one of the worst, labored and pointless, poker metaphors I’ve ever read.


22 posted on 05/02/2007 2:17:58 PM PDT by RedRover (Defend Our Marines)
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To: presidio9

Reid is part of pelosi’s shadow government. They both should be tried for treason.


23 posted on 05/02/2007 2:20:12 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: The South Texan
The PR machine for the GOP is completely broken and inept.

Good point. The PR from the GOP is very lacking.

Perhaps the PR machine from the GOP is not enough. Perhaps the GOP needs activists like the democrats/liberals have.

Ever notice how influential Moveon.org and DailyKos are with the democrats? They virtually own the party and many of the people in those websites/forums are democratic activists. If the DailyKos or Moveon.org people tell the democrats to jump, the democrats say "how high?".

Perhaps we need to become as active and powerful as those sites. FR is quite powerful, but the GOP has no fear of our power. And neither do the democrats.

I'm not advocating turning FR into that kind of website, but perhaps a sister site which is 100% political and activist and that would be consulted on a regular basis by our republican politicos and pundits?
24 posted on 05/02/2007 2:27:29 PM PDT by adorno
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To: narby

What you said!

It’s wrong for the dems to be talking about the war being lost, no matter how they say it. They can, however, criticize the way things have been handled, but they cannot come up with exactly how they would have done it better.


25 posted on 05/02/2007 2:42:42 PM PDT by Theresawithanh (You are my tagline, my only tagline, you make me happy when skies are gray...)
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To: presidio9

Just a small thought here: The Republicans didn’t deal the rats any better a hand than the rats dealt them.

The joker in the deck is the media, who ignore the failings of the rats and promote, explore, expound, pontificate and, at times, fabricate every Republican picadillo they think will aid the cause of the rats.


26 posted on 05/02/2007 2:47:05 PM PDT by telebob
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To: The South Texan
"The PR machine for the GOP is completely broken and inept."

Preach it, brother. I'd fire the lot of 'em....in a heartbeat.

The RNC lost its spine some years ago, along with the Party leadership in general. They just do NOT get it. The last Congressional leader who truly "got it" was one Newt Gingrich. The Contract With America was sheer genius.

Damned shame they didn't carry it all the way through...

27 posted on 05/02/2007 2:53:25 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: narby

“The idea that the United States Military can “lose” a war against a handful of savages blowing up civilians is ludicrous.”

It was ludicrous in ‘Nam too but we managed it. For the better part of a decade the sheer inventivness and adaptability of American boys 10,000 miles from home had us winning almost constantly. Then the predictable happened and booom we were out of there.

Of course this ain’t ‘Nam but that won’t stop people who are Evil, selfish and thoughtless (and running on a template to boot)from giving a TOTALLY DIFFERENT enemy the heart to press on.

And as a result we’re gonna get hit so hard it will make 9-11 look like a church picnic. There is no longer any question in my mind. Because of Democrat rottenness We are as certain to be hit again now as we were certain to see a 9-11 after the (non response to the) Cole.


28 posted on 05/02/2007 2:55:29 PM PDT by TalBlack
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To: presidio9
Benedict Arnold Harry Reid is truly a gift who keeps on giving.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

29 posted on 05/02/2007 2:59:08 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: presidio9
Over the past two years, President Bush and his Republican colleagues have been dealing great hands to their Democratic adversaries. The Iraq war, Tom DeLay, Jack Abramoff, Mark Foley, Randy Cunningham, Harriet Miers, Scooter Libby

Now, I agree that from time to time the Republican Party has handed over to the Dems victories on a silver platter, but Delay and Libby? IIRC, they were done in by politically partisan Dem prosecutors who sought to indict them for crimes that did not exist.

30 posted on 05/02/2007 3:04:55 PM PDT by lowbridge ("the first time in history, steel was melted by fire. It is physically impossible." -Rosie O'Donnell)
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To: RightOnline

Well, yeah, the GOP leadership is in shambles right now. Losing Martinez would be a very good start.

I still don’t understand this “hot streak” the writer’s referring to... this Congress hasn’t passed anything so far, just investigated everything Rove.


31 posted on 05/02/2007 3:10:42 PM PDT by Baladas
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To: tessalu

He just get cranky when is diapher is soiled and needs to be changed.


32 posted on 05/02/2007 3:11:37 PM PDT by chiefqc
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To: narby
Even this writer doesn't get it.

The writer is only complaining that Reid didn't say it right. He should, according to the author, have said "George Bush lost this war." It's an article about tactics. Not reality.

33 posted on 05/02/2007 3:22:45 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: RedRover
Completely stupid, as both writing and poker!
34 posted on 05/02/2007 3:36:26 PM PDT by JennysCool ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -Mencken)
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To: avacado

Show me an elected democrat that is NOT a traitor to this nation. The only formerly elected democrat I know of is Zell Miller, who stood for the troops and this nation.


35 posted on 05/02/2007 3:38:49 PM PDT by stumpy
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To: presidio9

Bump for later.


36 posted on 05/02/2007 4:18:57 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: MikeA

a whole hearted agreement here!


37 posted on 05/02/2007 4:24:07 PM PDT by Finatic
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To: jveritas

“In order to have a PR machine you need a media on your side. 90% of the media belong to the democrats, period”

I think you’re missing a point here. You never see the GOP try to even put the Drive By’s on the defensive. For once, wouldn’t you love to see a GOP’er tell Tim Russsert something like, ‘Well Tim, we all know you are a loyal Democrat because you worked for Mario Cuomo before your gig here at NBC.” Or whenever Stephnoplous ask something one side, throw the samething at him about his work with the Clintons. The list goes on and on.

Whenever the Drive Bys show some stats that support a Liberal aganeda, why don’t they point it out on these shows and the idiot Soccer mom shows in the mornings that those stats are from the Liberal Group whatever. THEY NEVER EVER DO THAT.

The Rats, to their credit, will point out things like that I know it’s wishful to think the press will give us a fair shake. But if our side can atleast put them on defensive more and more, then we maybe able to pull away some of those that are influenced by the Drive Bys, but are willing to listen to both sides.

One thing our side could do right now is repeat it now and repeat it often that Harry Reid is a traitor and not back down under the media guns. The media would be forced to broadcast his insane comments and ask questions about it. That would allow some people that have not seen it to actually see it.


38 posted on 05/02/2007 6:45:06 PM PDT by The South Texan (The Drive By Media is America's worst enemy and American people don't know it.)
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To: MikeA
Reid and his divisive partisan fellow-travelers including in the US media did make the war much, much tougher than it would have been had the terrorists in Iraq seen a united domestic front in the US determined to beat them and to stick with the effort to liberate Iraq.

Very well said. (The whole post.)

39 posted on 05/02/2007 6:52:22 PM PDT by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: lowbridge

“Now, I agree that from time to time the Republican Party has handed over to the Dems victories on a silver platter, but Delay and Libby? IIRC, they were done in by politically partisan Dem prosecutors who sought to indict them for crimes that did not exist”

Give the Clintons credit for when they were in office, they labeled every investigator that investigated them as a partisian Republican (even if some were not Republicans or overtly Partisans) and it worked. What showed up in the polls as something that would damage them would later show up in the polls a partisan investigation. Did you ever hear one Republican label Fitzgerled as a Partisan Democrat on a vedeta to get Bush? Noooooooooo. Do you even hear them saying that about the different committees and Chairmen (Waxman and Leahey) in the House and Senate

If might have and still worked, but we’ll never hear anybody on the Republican side from the White House, The Hill or even the media dare say such things.

Herego our side is clueless how to fight the fight that needs to be fought.


40 posted on 05/02/2007 6:53:29 PM PDT by The South Texan (The Drive By Media is America's worst enemy and American people don't know it.)
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To: TheRobb7
Ending Dems' Hot Streak , TheRobb7 wrote: Reid even REPEATED his mantra today to the press after his meeting with Pres. Bush: "the war is lost". He did so SEVERAL TIMES!

If you heard that on Hannity, then what you heard was Hannity mixing in Dhimmi Harry's "The war is lost" quote into the Dem surrender vote press conference.

Of course, it's quite possible the bozo repeated it on his own today, too....

41 posted on 05/02/2007 6:56:47 PM PDT by Yossarian (Everyday, somewhere on the globe, somebody is pushing the frontier of stupidity...)
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To: presidio9
Declaring that Bush lost the war would have changed the debate, forcing Reid's critics to defend Bush's conduct of the war — a tough sell.

Proving that the Democrats and their apologists view the Iraq war solely through the lens of politics. It's not that Reid was wrong to label the war as lost. Oh, no! Instead he was wrong not to politicize any blame created thereby.

Democrats and their handmaidens in the drive-by media are truly disgusting.

42 posted on 05/02/2007 7:14:19 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: presidio9
Thanks to Potlatch. It is time that we veto the anti Americans POS's like Reid and Piglosi.


43 posted on 05/09/2007 9:43:54 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (GW has more Honor and Integrity in his little finger than ALL of the losers on the "hate Bush" band)
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To: okie01
Proving that the Democrats and their apologists view the Iraq war solely through the lens of politics. It's not that Reid was wrong to label the war as lost. Oh, no! Instead he was wrong not to politicize any blame created thereby.

Emphazise and repeat bump.

Everything has been politicized since 1/20/93.

44 posted on 05/09/2007 10:35:19 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: metesky
Emphasize and repeat bump.

Spell check, spell check, sp...

45 posted on 05/09/2007 10:38:15 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: metesky
Everything has been politicized since 1/20/93.

And do you recall who originally issue those instructions?

"Everything is political."
Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

Bill and Hillary learned well.

46 posted on 05/09/2007 3:46:16 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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