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To: kabar
Legal immigration policies are a bigger problem than illegal immigration and much more difficult to solve. I don't care what represents the majority of Freepers or not, but I do know the issue far better than you do.

I'm sure you do; I won't discuss megalomania with you.

Here's the problem. Many if not most of the issues you have with legal immigration are actually "illegal immigrant" issues. Confounding the principal current main issue is simply a time-proven means of failure.

It's like you arguing and insisting that we must address the termite problem when my house is on fire. I have a certain level of tolerance for obsessive personalities, but not in this case.
There is an immediate and serious problem. It needs addressing. If your reach exceeds your grasp, enjoy it. I am focusing on the real world, the realm of the possible and not pipe dreams.
Insist on all and fail, or focus on one victory at a time, and perhaps have some hope of change.

294 posted on 05/23/2007 1:28:19 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Publius6961
I'm sure you do; I won't discuss megalomania with you.

LOL. That remark doesn't even make sense in the context of this discussion.

Here's the problem. Many if not most of the issues you have with legal immigration are actually "illegal immigrant" issues. Confounding the principal current main issue is simply a time-proven means of failure.

For instance? There are two sets of issues, one having to do with people who come here legally and those that don't. Where they become related is when we give the illegals amnesty and imbue them with a legalized status that allows them through chain migration, to bring in more of their relatives. A large majority of our adult LEGAL immigrants don't have even a high school education. Does it make sense to bring in high school dropouts while we tell our kids to stay in school recognizing that education determines how well you do in this society? The proportion of immigrant-headed households using at least one major welfare program is 29 percent, compared to 18 percent for native households

It's like you arguing and insisting that we must address the termite problem when my house is on fire. I have a certain level of tolerance for obsessive personalities, but not in this case.

The fire is easier to put out than solving the termite problem, as strained as that analogy is. The current senate bill touches on items like chain migration and the "rights" of the illegals. Once we give the 12 to 20 million illegals legal status, then they are entitled to many of the benefits enjoyed by other legal residents of this country, including chain migration. The 12 to 20 million quickly becomes many more people who will also become legal residents of this country. You can build all the fences you want, but once these 12 to 20 million are legalized, the game is over. That is what people like Rector and Samuelson are talking about.


296 posted on 05/23/2007 2:10:09 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Publius6961
There is an immediate and serious problem. It needs addressing. If your reach exceeds your grasp, enjoy it. I am focusing on the real world, the realm of the possible and not pipe dreams. Insist on all and fail, or focus on one victory at a time, and perhaps have some hope of change.

The real problem is immigration, legal and illegal. Twice as many people come here legally every year than illegally. We also have several million more coming here on "temporary" visas.

If you are really serious about the subject, something I have had firsthand experience with, professionally and personally, I suggest you read the following:"

The Hispanic Challenge By Samuel P. Huntington

Two Sides of the Same Coin: The Connection Between Legal and Illegal Immigration

Chain Migration

DEMOGRAPHY IS DESTINY.

297 posted on 05/23/2007 2:42:56 PM PDT by kabar
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