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Michigan GOP leader wants Paul barred from future debates[Ron Paul]
AP ^ | 16 May 2007 | Jim Davenport

Posted on 05/17/2007 8:01:52 AM PDT by BGHater

COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) — The chairman of the Michigan Republican Party said Wednesday that he will try to bar Ron Paul from future GOP presidential debates because of remarks the Texas congressman made that suggested the Sept. 11 attacks were the fault of U.S. foreign policy.

Michigan party chairman Saul Anuzis said he will circulate a petition among Republican National Committee members to ban Paul from more debates. At a GOP candidates' debate Tuesday night, Paul drew attacks from all sides, most forcefully from former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, when he linked the terror attacks to U.S. bombings.

"Have you ever read about the reasons they attacked us? They attack us because we've been over there. We've been bombing Iraq for 10 years," Paul said.

Anuzis called the comments "off the wall and out of whack."

"I think he would have felt much more comfortable on the stage with the Democrats in what he said last night. And I think that he is a distraction in the Republican primary and he does not represent the base and he does not represent the party," Anuzis said during an RNC state leadership meeting.

"Given what he said last night it was just so off the wall and out of whack that I think it was more detrimental than helpful."

Anuzis said his petition would go to debate sponsors and broadcasters to discourage inviting Paul.

Jesse Benton, Paul's campaign spokesman, said the candidate "is supporting the traditional GOP foreign policy. I think it's a shame when people try to silence the traditional conservative Republican standpoint."

After the debate Tuesday, Paul said he didn't' expect his remarks to end his campaign.

"The last time I got a message out about my position on the war it boosted us up by tens of thousands and I didn't change my position," Paul said. "I think the American people are sick and tired of this war and want it ended."


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1 posted on 05/17/2007 8:01:57 AM PDT by BGHater
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To: BGHater
Anuzis called the comments "off the wall and out of whack."

Calling for Americans to read is always a bad move.
2 posted on 05/17/2007 8:03:35 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: BGHater
Ahem. Mr. Anuzis?

You're an idiot. Leave the censorship tactics to the "experts"; i.e., the Dhimmocrats. Let Ron Paul hang himself with his dumb remarks. Smart people will properly associate him w/ the Rosie O'Donnell Cult.

3 posted on 05/17/2007 8:04:35 AM PDT by kromike
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To: BGHater
I never understood what prompted this guy to run as a Pubbie in the first place.

Ours is an exclusive club. No libertarians allowed.

4 posted on 05/17/2007 8:04:51 AM PDT by LouAvul
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To: BGHater
I think it’s time we start culling the herd, but we need to have a democratic way of doing it.. say cull down to the top five in the straw polls?
5 posted on 05/17/2007 8:05:32 AM PDT by mnehring (McCain '08 -------------------------------------- just kidding...)
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To: BGHater

I don’t agree with Paul on 9/11 or Iraq (although I do agree with him that we should have DECLARED WAR). However, silencing this man is not the answer - so much of what he says needs to be heard.


6 posted on 05/17/2007 8:05:42 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic t gehate, t ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furor gan)
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To: BGHater

Good, the rest should be between Romney, Hunter, Rudy, & (Thompson, Gingrich if they are entering).


7 posted on 05/17/2007 8:06:55 AM PDT by Vision ("Blessed is the man who trusts in the Lord, whose confidence is in him." Jeremiah 17:7)
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To: LouAvul
Ours is an exclusive club. No libertarians allowed.

Except for those of use who 'grew up'... Of course, I was never a Paul type conservative (19th century thinking).. more from the Rand school

8 posted on 05/17/2007 8:07:03 AM PDT by mnehring (McCain '08 -------------------------------------- just kidding...)
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To: BGHater

I think all candidates should be heard. If it’s too cumbersome to have them all on stage at once, split the debates up.


9 posted on 05/17/2007 8:07:18 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: LouAvul

Ron Paul’s too wacky even for the capital-L Libertarians.

He’s basically an isolationist (esp. when it comes to favoring Arabs over Israel) with nonsense populism.

Essentially, a not-as-smart Pat Buchanon cloaked as a libertarian.


10 posted on 05/17/2007 8:08:15 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Fred Thompson)
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To: BGHater
"Have you ever read about the reasons they attacked us? They attack us because we've been over there. We've been bombing Iraq for 10 years," Paul said.

Yes, but it was the Saudis, mostly, who flew the planes into the buildings and we haven't been bombing them at all.
11 posted on 05/17/2007 8:08:38 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: MeanWestTexan
Essentially, a not-as-smart Pat Buchanon cloaked as a libertarian.

Ouch, that's harsh.. but very true...

12 posted on 05/17/2007 8:09:05 AM PDT by mnehring (McCain '08 -------------------------------------- just kidding...)
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To: SittinYonder

Agreed. He shouldn’t be excluded from the debates. If you get past the foreign policy lunacy, he’s got some damn solid points on government reach and spending. The unfortunate thing is, his 9/11 remarks have overshadowed the fact that someone like Paul, who’s passionately (you could say fanatically) committed to small government and Constitutional limits, is a valuable resource to help drag the GOP back toward what it needs to be domestically—the party of Constitutional, controlled government.

}:-)4


13 posted on 05/17/2007 8:09:29 AM PDT by Moose4 (Deport 'em. I don't need landscaping and I'll pay more for lettuce.)
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To: BGHater

Well, I think Ron Paul is the worst candidate of the bunch. But how do you help matters by banning him from the debate? That’s the Democrat solution.


14 posted on 05/17/2007 8:09:49 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: mysterio

I think they should just have a knock down and the last one standing wins.


15 posted on 05/17/2007 8:10:24 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: Cicero

Indeed. It is the Arena of ideas. Let the best man win.


16 posted on 05/17/2007 8:11:07 AM PDT by BGHater (“Every little bit of good I may do, let me do it now for I may not come this way again.”)
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To: BGHater
Anuzis called the comments "off the wall and out of whack."

Mr. Anuzis, you're a freaking idiot. Try reading the 9/11 Commission report sometime you boob.

L

17 posted on 05/17/2007 8:11:37 AM PDT by Lurker (Comparing 'moderate' islam to 'extremist' islam is like comparing small pox to plague.)
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To: aruanan
Yes, but it was the Saudis, mostly, who flew the planes into the buildings and we haven't been bombing them at all.

False argument because it wasn't a Saudi Government sponsored event.. The hijackers also received their flight training in Florida, but that doesn't mean we should bomb Florida.

18 posted on 05/17/2007 8:13:09 AM PDT by mnehring (McCain '08 -------------------------------------- just kidding...)
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To: mnehrling

I think we should start culling the herd American Idol style. The bottom two from the snapshot poll after a debate are eligible for elimination. Then voters call in to eliminate one. Same process follows until we’re left with the top 4 or 5.


19 posted on 05/17/2007 8:13:44 AM PDT by Hoodlum91 (I support global warming.)
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To: BGHater

I would rather allow Run Paul to remove himself and he’s well on his way.


20 posted on 05/17/2007 8:14:04 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: mnehrling
False argument because it wasn't a Saudi Government sponsored event.. The hijackers also received their flight training in Florida, but that doesn't mean we should bomb Florida.

Not a false argument because the Saudi government does sponsor radical Islamist movements around the world. Besides, Iraq didn't fund the 9/11 terrorists.
21 posted on 05/17/2007 8:14:57 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Hoodlum91
Maybe Ron Paul can be the Sanjia of the bunch and Votefortheworst.com will support him (or in this case, Democraticunderground.com- they had a campaign to vote for him in the last debate poll.)
22 posted on 05/17/2007 8:14:59 AM PDT by mnehring (McCain '08 -------------------------------------- just kidding...)
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To: mnehrling
I think it’s time we start culling the herd, but we need to have a democratic way of doing it.. say cull down to the top five in the straw polls?

Yes, a real debate and a nutjob debate. Something for everybody.

23 posted on 05/17/2007 8:15:48 AM PDT by Columbine
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To: BGHater

Ron Paul’s performance was absolute lunacy, but I don’t think he should be banned.

I personnally am glad I got to hear him so I can really appreciate what a complete jackass he is.


25 posted on 05/17/2007 8:19:24 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: kromike
You're an idiot. Leave the censorship tactics to the "experts"; i.e., the Dhimmocrats. Let Ron Paul hang himself with his dumb remarks. Smart people will properly associate him w/ the Rosie O'Donnell Cult.

There is a big flaw in your logic. We are talking about libs. They are not "smart people" - they will tar the entire GOP with the Ron Paul brush.

26 posted on 05/17/2007 8:20:42 AM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: Tokra

how can they do that when they agree with him?


27 posted on 05/17/2007 8:21:33 AM PDT by conserv8ive1 (Rudy and the Bots...blasting off to oblivion.)
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To: mnehrling

I thought the 9/11 attack happened because Osama figured we were weak due to non response to previous attacks. Why in the world does Paul think that it has anything to do with “bombing Iraq for 10 years” (to which I also reply HUH? I know Clintoon lobbed two over there to take out minds off Lewinsky but I didn’t think we done anything more than chase or shoot their planes out of the no-fly zone).


28 posted on 05/17/2007 8:24:00 AM PDT by Right Cal Gal (Remember Billy Dale!!!)
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To: aruanan
Individuals in the Saudi Government do.. but it is not a national policy to.. Jimmy Carter gives money and support to Hezzbollah, that doesn’t make what they do US sponsored actions.

There is also the case where you have to treat each situation differently. We know that we can have a better chance of changing those elements in Saudi Arabia from the inside, as recent history has shown us with their cutting off funding to these groups.

Iraq was a different story. They were a direct sponsor of many terrorist groups including Hezzobllah, Islamic Jihad, Al Axa Martyers Brigrade, Tanzim Qa’idat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn, Ansar al-Sunna, Asbat al-Ansar, Lashkar-e-Tayyiba, and I’m sure many others I cannot remember at this time.

Iraq even had training camps established.. such as Salman Pak. They may not have been directly sponsoring Al Quada per say, but they were behind almost everyone else..

If you want to stop organized crime, you can’t just go after on family, you have to take out the entire structure.

29 posted on 05/17/2007 8:24:28 AM PDT by mnehring (McCain '08 -------------------------------------- just kidding...)
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To: BGHater
Have you ever read about the reasons they attacked us? They attack us because we've been over there. We've been bombing Iraq for 10 years,"

So what if our goals conflict with goals of Muslims. Are we supposed to give up our goals to please Muslims? Not. Let Muslims change their goals to please us.

30 posted on 05/17/2007 8:30:19 AM PDT by mjp (Live & let live. I don't want to live in Mexico, Marxico, or Muslimico. Statism & high taxes suck.)
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To: LouAvul
I never understood what prompted this guy to run as a Pubbie in the first place.

If you asked him he would tell you something along the lines of that is what he had to run as to get elected. He is very open about that.
31 posted on 05/17/2007 8:33:40 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: BGHater

Ron Paul has always been a Rosie O’Donnell with a male appendage, but censoring him does no good.

Let the nutburger spout his defeatist rhetoric so that voters can see for themselves for the neo-Chamberlain appeaser he really is.


32 posted on 05/17/2007 8:34:24 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Right Cal Gal

1400 years of muslim history shows them to be bent on expansion and domination. Our presence in the mideast is nothing more than a convenient excuse for them to continue to do what they’ve always done. If we weren’t there they would still do the same things and simply use another convenient excuse.

When muslims overran north Africa and much of southern Europe the USA didn’t even exist. We haven’t got anything to do with terrorism in India, Nepal, Bangladesh, Indonesia, or the Philippines.

At this point I’m just waiting for the Zawahiri tape quoting Ron Paul. You know it’s coming.


33 posted on 05/17/2007 8:38:21 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: BGHater

Why stop with excluding Ron Paul?

We should start by excluding the 75 percent of Americans who oppose the War in Iraq.

Then, we should exclude those pro-choice on abortion Americans who are among the 25 percent of Americans who support the War in Iraq. (Starting with Rudy Guiliani.)

Then, we should exclude people like John McCain who, while they’re pro-war and pro-life, are soft on immigration.

I think these three simple steps would get the Republican Party down to where it could compete “mano a mano” with the Libertarian Party for 3th place, following the Dmocrats and the Greens, well ... at least in most states.


34 posted on 05/17/2007 8:48:12 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: P-40
If you asked him he would tell you something along the lines of that is what he had to run as to get elected.

Then that should tell him his lunatic politics are unwelcome in the US by the majority voters. Either change his ideology or go back to clerking at Walmart.

35 posted on 05/17/2007 9:03:59 AM PDT by LouAvul
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To: Dane

Not even close. Ron Paul has some very good ideas about what we need to do to the Federal Reserve, get rid of it. It’s no more Federal than Federal Express. Why on earth we pay a cartel of private banks a $$$trillion+ dollars a year for the privilege of issuing our own currency back to us is insane. Think there’s any gold in Fort Knox??? Nope. It now belongs to the Federal Reserve as collateral for all of the bank notes that it has issued. Ron Paul has some good ideas too, he shouldn’t be omitted.


36 posted on 05/17/2007 9:05:30 AM PDT by rednesss
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To: LouAvul
Ours is an exclusive club. No libertarians allowed.

So being 100% pro-life, 100% pro-2nd Amendment, and 100% pro-border security is out of the question, then.

But people like Hagel and Specter and Collins are welcome in your exclusive club. Gotcha.

37 posted on 05/17/2007 9:08:19 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: MeanWestTexan
He’s basically an isolationist

Paul voted in favor of military action in Afghanistan.

38 posted on 05/17/2007 9:10:34 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: LouAvul

To win an election you have to run as a Democrat or a Republican, generally. That does not mean you have to *be* one or the other, you just wear their hat during the campaign. With districts so carved up that one or the other party is guaranteed all too often to win, I think it is funny.


39 posted on 05/17/2007 9:11:42 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: BGHater

What an idiot.


40 posted on 05/17/2007 9:18:36 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: BGHater

Attention Mr. Saul Anuzis:

Sir, I totally disagree with your response to Ron Paul’s remarks. Your response highlights my immense frustration with the GOP both at the National level and the Illinois GOP too. Your response sounds way to much like the insipid nonsense we always hear from the DNC, Moveon.org and that ilk. Your response, in essence, says that the average GOP voter is not going to be able to grasp the concept that Paul was talking about, thus an elite political animal such as yourself must make that decision for us. Such a mentality it the very core of the religion of liberalism isn’t it? We common citizens are too stupid and too inept to make decisions for ourselves, no, we must depend on government and liberals to help us make better choices.

Mr. Anuzis please reconsider your reaction to Mr. Paul’s comments. Perhaps Paul’s statement is wacky and out of touch with reality. Perhaps not. It is not for you to decide for me how I will choose to react to such things. Let Mr. Paul particpate in the election process - let the voters decide Mr. Paul’s fate. That IS how a democracy works.

...or at least how repubicans view democracy...or used to.


41 posted on 05/17/2007 9:25:41 AM PDT by GLH3IL (This so called 're-deployment' is really a vote catching program. General Patton - 1944)
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To: Cicero
But how do you help matters by banning him from the debate?

Would the debates become more meaningfull if you only had to divide the time between 5 candidates instead of 10? By the end of the summer, there is no question the list should be culled.

42 posted on 05/17/2007 9:35:41 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

And retreat from Iraq.

And retreat from Lebanon (during Reagan)

And repeated votes to abandon Israel.

Etc.


43 posted on 05/17/2007 9:39:02 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Fred Thompson)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Why don't you people come to some consensus about your politics?

Conservatives are not going to elect any lunatic who espouses legalizing currently illegal drugs.

And this guy might say he's in favor of secure borders, but that is not a libertarian platform. Once we open the floodgate of libertarianism, we're going to get all that we fear.

44 posted on 05/17/2007 9:44:29 AM PDT by LouAvul
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To: MeanWestTexan
And retreat from Iraq.

Refereeing a conflict involving two Muslim sects is not in our nation's interest.

And retreat from Lebanon (during Reagan)

Reagan himself initiated this

And repeated votes to abandon Israel.

Ending tax-dollars to Israel doesn't make one an Israeli-hater. Israel is big enough to stand on its own now.

Thanks for playing.

45 posted on 05/17/2007 9:46:02 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: finnman69

Well, sure, the lists should be culled. But they should be culled by the party leaders or the debate sponsors in terms of popularity or polls, not because some self-appointed arbitrator objects to what they say.

If enough viewers or potential voters object to it, fine, then they have succeeded in eliminating themselves, and that’s another story.


46 posted on 05/17/2007 9:48:55 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: LouAvul
Why don't you people come to some consensus about your politics?

Why don't you try reading the Constitution sometimes, like Paul does.

Conservatives are not going to elect any lunatic who espouses legalizing currently illegal drugs.

Strawman argument. Paul isn't the advocate for legalization of drugs that most Libertarians are. He correctly puts other issues ahead in importance.

And this guy might say he's in favor of secure borders, but that is not a libertarian platform.

Doesn't matter what the LP platform says (BTW, the GOP is busy selling America down the river, blame that on the "Losertarians") Paul has consistently voted in favor of border security.

Once we open the floodgate of libertarianism, we're going to get all that we fear.

Perhaps if Republicans became more Libertarian instead of gutless socialist wannabes this nation would be a lot better off.

47 posted on 05/17/2007 9:50:33 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: BGHater
"I think the American people are sick and tired of this war and want it ended."

I know that lots of people are sick and tired of Ron Paul and want him ended. That doesn't mean that they approve of him being executed, for instance...necessarily...
Perhaps the wisest words in rock lyrics, by Mick Jagger of all people: "You can't always get what you want." Grown-ups know this, Ron.

48 posted on 05/17/2007 10:13:14 AM PDT by Nevermore
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To: Cicero
But they should be culled by the party leaders or the debate sponsors in terms of popularity or polls,

I agree, 2% seems reasonable at this stage.

http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=27598

First Choice for 2008 Republican Nomination
Based on Republicans/Republican leaners
May 10-13, 2007

%

Rudy Giuliani

29

John McCain

23

Fred Thompson

12

Mitt Romney

8

Newt Gingrich

6

Sam Brownback

2

Tommy Thompson

1

Mike Huckabee

1

Tom Tancredo

1

George Pataki

1

Duncan Hunter

*

Jim Gilmore

*

Chuck Hagel

*

Ron Paul

0

 

Other

2

None

5

All/any

0

No opinion

8


49 posted on 05/17/2007 10:17:21 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Paul isn't the advocate for legalization of drugs that most Libertarians are.

And conservatives are not going to vote for a candidate whose party generally favors legalizing dope.

Might as well vote for a Klansman who promises he won't discriminate.

BTW, the GOP is busy selling America down the river

And you'll notice that the current Republican president has lost the favor of his constituents, and the Republicans also lost Congress this past election.

We're sick to death of elitists of any party forcing their globalist agenda down our throats. It may be too late to undo the harm (viz, our current criminal invasion re third worlders), but I'll be hanged if I bid God speed to another wolf in sheep's clothing.

50 posted on 05/17/2007 10:31:46 AM PDT by LouAvul
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